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is that triangle you know there's

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explanation for everything that occurred

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in the Rendlesham forest incident that

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doesn't involve aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's also really standing in

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the Clery he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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eyes and said we're not alone welcome to

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Willis your host and we have a great

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show for you this evening one of my

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favorite guests we have Robert Powell

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coming up in just a bit before that we

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have Alejandro al Rojas he'll be joining

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us for UFO updates in just a minute and

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listeners check out we have a lot of

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kind of interesting things on our

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out over there and we are still looking

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for a blogger I know we've had a few

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people contact us and so that option is

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open for someone that would like to

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write some blogs we did have someone in

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Tasmania write a couple of interesting

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blogs I'm waiting to hear back from him

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and let's see we are talking the Nimitz

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today I really I guess I'm kind of stuck

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on that case I really like talking about

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that it's just one of those fascinating

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ones with a lot of really great research

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and robert has done that and on the 19th

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of march i believe it is we have kevin

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day who is the radar operator in the

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Nimitz during the sightings he's going

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to be on the show then so I think that

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will just about do it for the Nimitz for

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us for awhile and last week if you

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missed the show check it out it's a it's

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pretty interesting the fighter pilot was

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actually on the Nimitz during the during

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the incident I didn't even know that

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when I had him on the

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oh I had him on to talk about other

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things so that was pretty exciting for

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me anyway so that's it for now and we

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are joined by Alejandro Rojas welcome to

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the show

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hello thank you so much for having me my

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friend as always it's a pleasure yeah

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and you should have a great show

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you've got Robert and which is great

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because he's got this report coming out

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and I'm so excited to see it

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and in fact I asked him to share

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information with me and he said wait for

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the report so you're getting a preview

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you're lucky yeah glad and I think that

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the mint report yeah what was that he's

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kind of by the book you know oh yeah

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things which is great yeah mm-hmm yeah

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he's part of that government documents

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book that was so important but Nimitz is

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really important too because I think

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probably one of the most important cases

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in a long long time and the main reason

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being that it's tied to this government

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program and then we have more witnesses

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than ever you know with this case coming

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forward in fact you know even with if

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you think of a big case like Rendlesham

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forest which was a military case you

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know in the UK the United States first

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was leasing this base from the UK we you

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have quite a few military witnesses from

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that but it didn't have the attention

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nor was it a you know an official kind

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Nimitz's so there's just a number of

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reason it's so so important and it's

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really exciting that it's getting all

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the attention and and so I think it's

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important that we talk about it a lot

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if part of the reason Rendlesham force

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was not taking taken that seriously at

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the time is because it was on it was not

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on our land it was uh it was in England

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I'm wondering if that's part of it

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and I wonder what would changed today if

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that happened that's a good question and

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you're right that's what's interesting

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about the Charles halt memo and

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essentially the strategy behind the memo

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so Charles halt was the deputy base

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commander he was one of the witnesses in

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Rendlesham forest and it was pretty much

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his memo to the Ministry of

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fence that in the UK that broke this

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whole thing and made it very big and in

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his memo it was essentially he and his

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boss their strategy was well you know

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this incident didn't really necessarily

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occur on the base it occurred on English

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land so we're gonna kind of pass the

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buck and write this memo telling them

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this occurred so really it's their job

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to investigate and then the UK decided

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not to investigate there were debates

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including in the House of Lords one of

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the branches of the government around

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why aren't they investigating it but it

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never was officially investigated by the

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government so you're right I guess if if

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the American government would have taken

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onus if they would have written that

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memo internally what would have happened

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maybe there would have been an

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investigation who knows I'm it's

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difficult to say although Charles halt

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believes there was some sort of

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clandestine investigation that went on

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that he was not even privy to and I

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asked him what you think you know he

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believes his guys were debriefed if if

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that could happen if some organisation

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with a was a lot of secrecy could come

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on base and debrief his own people

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without him knowing and he said sure

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that could happen I just didn't have a

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need-to-know of as to the business that

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these people were needed to do on the

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base and so that's possible right right

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it is pretty amazing how when you said

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the need-to-know thing how

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compartmentalized everything seems to be

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in so many different ways mm-hmm when it

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comes to writing military and the

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government mm-hmm so getting into news

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that gets into a little bit of the news

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there's that there's a somewhat of a tie

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in that you know a tip when this

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organization was that Lou Elizondo you

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know ran it there's been some questions

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about it because we really haven't had

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much in the way of official

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documentation related to all of this

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we've got leaks for instance many of

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them from George

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at klas in fact the only report we have

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the alleged report we have from the

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military on the Nimitz case is from a

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leak from George Knapp now there have

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been other people to corroborate these

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leaks to confirm that they're accurate

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but one of George snaps leaks was a list

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of different sort of products they call

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them different projects or or papers

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that his organization was working on and

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luckily fortunately we have finally had

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essentially the first FOIA and you'll

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definitely have to ask Robert about this

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because I know he's been going like

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crazy around a tip and Nimitz and all of

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this and there's been little to no

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success really no success until recently

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and that is because of these documents

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that a couple of groups were able to

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FOIA and get information out of well

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really only one that we know has FOIA at

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it and gotten information that's the

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Federation of American scientists so

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they did a FOIA on a tip and they got

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some some documentation it turned out

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Nick Pope had called the PR department

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essentially and said hey guys you know

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I've got a FOIA but give me some

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information and they finally did and it

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turned out to be the same document that

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the Federation of American scientists

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what had released and that happened

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sometimes where a FOIA is responded to

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which makes then that material public

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and so then when you call the dear PR

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department especially as journalists

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they'll often give you that material

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without having to have put through a

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FOIA and other researchers they'll do

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that for also I'm sure that's happened

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to Robert so they got this document and

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this document actually mentions the name

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a tape it mentions advanced aerospace

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threat and identification program which

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is interesting because his term it's

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been debated what the term is but Lou

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Elizondo has told us it's advanced

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aerospace threat even though so many

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people doubt him for some reason that

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but you know a tip did UFO work or

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anything at all

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but there's a couple important clues and

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we've kind of talked about these

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documents but examining them there's

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some information in it that's pretty

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important essentially they're looking

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for advanced aerospace threaten and

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identification meaning the

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identification part is they're

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identifying foreign objects objects that

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don't belong to the United States

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however what's interesting then is okay

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who are who are these foreigners that

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have this technology that is beyond our

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own then that they're examining well if

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you look at this inventory that to try

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to get a clue as to you know are they

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looking into Russian technology are they

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looking into Chinese technology well

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they all of these documents are all

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about space travel for the most part at

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least when it comes to the technology

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parts space propulsion there's stuff

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about cloaking but there's traversing

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wormholes and stargates

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so you see here very quickly that you

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know it bolsters lose claims that what

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we have here is that they were looking

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at unknowns they were looking at another

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possibility he of course is hesitant

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like many to say they're looking into

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you whether or not it's

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extraterrestrials but at least they had

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as he shared been convinced that it's

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not the Chinese or the Russians or any

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other government out there that we know

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of so it backs up of course

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unfortunately we don't have listed on

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this list like the Nimitz document yeah

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and you know we have this Nimitz report

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but what's exciting at least from what

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Louis said is that the Nimitz report is

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one of very many that there are other

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cases out there

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I think Robert definitely knows as a

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clue as to some of the other cases that

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they've looked at given what we know

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about some of the videos that have been

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released but supposedly and according to

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Liu there were even better cases than

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the Nimitz and the Nimitz is an

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extraordinary case so there's still a

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lot of information to that is

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forthcoming and even when it comes to

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the Nimitz we don't know the extent of

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the investigation we have this kind of

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almost high-level executive summary that

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doesn't even necessarily look to be put

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together by a scientist but more of a

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researcher or an investigator who talked

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to all of the witnesses there's some

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kind of real frenchie kind of strange

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speculation and the leaked document but

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Lou has confirmed it's accurate and as

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time goes on another reason this is

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helpful is that when lose the things

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that he's told us have been confirmed

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and corroborated by third parties like

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Harry Reid or David flavour or any of

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the other nimitz witnesses that we've

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talked to then it just it means that

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most likely you know what Louis been

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telling us is accurate so when he's

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telling us there's more documents to

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come or that more exists hopefully over

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time you know some of these FOIA

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requests that we've put in will be

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fruitful and we'll be able to get some

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more of these exciting reports right

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absolutely Wow I hope so and it's you

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know that is fascinating I mean that

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there are so many military I mean the

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military involved in these sightings is

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fascinating to me mm-hmm

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I think that's a really important case a

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point you know the UK government up

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until 2008 had their own UFO research

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program that was the program that Nick

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Pope was a part of however they closed

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their door at 2008 and in 2008 they

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didn't want any more documents but Nick

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Pope for instance although he doesn't

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can't point to this being you know

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certainly the case felt that more of

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what they were saying is they don't want

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public input anymore that they've got

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enough information on their own and it's

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kind of similar to what a tip was doing

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because a tip was looking at military

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cases and I don't think that's

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necessarily a bad thing because when it

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comes to a military case you're going to

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have more records you're going to have

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more credible witnesses you're going to

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have even more a sophisticated equipment

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that is monitoring or gathering data

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including video data on these cases

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so these are going to be the strongest

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of the cases out there and even if you

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look at Project Blue Book or a number of

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other cases that Robert has looked into

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and his colleagues in his government

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documents book that they put together

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you know these are really really strong

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cases do they point to an answer that we

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definitely know what's going on they

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don't but what they do point to is what

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Lou has shared and others is that

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there's a minton that there's a mystery

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there's an observed technology that we

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don't know what it is but so far we have

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not seen anything you know indicating

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like at least officially that they've

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captured a crashed UFO or bodies or

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anything like that but we do at least

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have that it's very substantiate that

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they've had these experiences with these

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unknown technologies that that can

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outmaneuver our most sophisticated

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aircraft yeah and do such mysterious

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maneuvers at that mm-hmm

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you know especially when we're gonna be

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talking about that today at the yes

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those are crazy so I guess when it comes

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to news you know there's a lot of news

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about these documents about the crazy

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stuff these guys were looking into they

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don't get into some of the nuances like

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we're talking about where it confirms

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the UFO side of things however what's

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interesting about the mainstream media

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is they have had no doubt really as to

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what Lewin and Elizondo has said about

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his program or that Harry Reid has said

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about the program they really haven't

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doubted Lou when he says they

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investigated UFO in the mainstream media

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so I think that's really important and

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so when it comes to the mainstream media

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these stories I think are really

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interesting and it's great that you know

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there's so much more getting out there

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and people know that not only was the

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government or the military taking UFOs

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more seriously and the possibility that

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there unidentified but also these other

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technologies that would indicate what

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how they might be getting here from

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there but also how we might one day get

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there from here

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yeah so all of that's important but

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that's created a lot of stories and then

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of course Blue Book is creating a lot of

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stories still the Project Blue Book

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television show in

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fact there is a Washington Post story

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that just posted today so we're seeing a

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lot of mainstream coverage from UFOs

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mostly from Project Blue Book to

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television show but a tip continues to

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get into the headlines as well yeah

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great well alejandro thank you so much

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it's fun as always to have you on the

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show I appreciate it yeah my pleasure

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have a great show all right I'll talk to

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you next week back to you later all

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right okay everyone so our guest tonight

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oh by the way we were just speaking

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about the documents and you can read

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those actually on my website I have a

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PDF reader so go to podcast UFO comm and

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it's titled it's a second second article

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down foyer reveals the dia funded

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research into UFO technology and you can

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scan through that it's only five pages

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that you can scan through that document

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and check it out it's really interesting

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so our guest Robert Powell he is a

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charter member a board member that is of

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the scientific coalition of u4 ufology

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SCU

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he's been the director of research at

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MUFON from two thousand seven to two

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thousand seventeen and created muffinz

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Science Review Board in 2012 and it goes

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on and on and on he's got quite a and

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he's also part of the UFO data project

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as well and we have a lot of talk a lot

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to talk about

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welcome to the show Robert well I'm

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Martin it's nice to be back yes I think

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you know you were on the show the week

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before the New York Times article came

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out and all heck broke loose as they say

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you're right we talked about the event

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right before the New York Times released

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the case it's kind of coincidental I've

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been working on it since the middle of

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2016 and then you and I talked the week

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right before

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what was it December 17th or 19th those

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16,000 out so yeah it was the week

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before prior to that so we have a lot of

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new listeners to the show a lot of new

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listeners in UFO field in general so for

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the person I want to

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I doubt by talking about the Nimitz case

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and we will go into other topics of

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course but if for the new listener in a

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nutshell if you can talk about the

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Nimitz case just and you know get get

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them up to speed with and then we can

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continue to talk about more details on

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that sure I could do that and if you

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would like for your new listeners I

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could give them a quick overview of my

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background just so they know know you

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didn't pick me off pick me up off the

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street corner somewhere okay actually I

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became involved with the UFO topic in

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2007 so I've been investigating it for

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almost exactly 12 years now you know I

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probably average 20 hours a week my

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degree was in chemistry and I became am

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interested in this topic back in junior

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high when I read one of J Allen Hynek

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books but you know I put that on the

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shelf because you know had to get a job

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raise a family make a living and I was

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fortunate in that I worked in the

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semiconductor field making micro

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processors I was an engineering manager

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there and I was able to retire early and

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so once I retired early I said okay what

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do I really want to do and one thing I

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always enjoyed was the challenge of the

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UFO phenomenon and so I got involved

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then I became the director of research

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at MUFON I was there for 10 years left

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there about one and a half years ago

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then we founded the scientific coalition

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brief ology and it's kind of been

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history since then and you know I look

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for cases that have a lot of good

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information and data and the Nimitz case

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was one of them so to give your

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listeners of feel for you know how did I

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get involved in this tournament okay yes

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well it started back in the middle of

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2016 so I had heard about the case then

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and I found the web site that a lot of

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your listeners might be

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we're of now which was a navy blog site

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and when I found that site it was just

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full of Navy lingo and it was talking

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about this UFO case and the first thing

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I do on any UFO case is I try to filter

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through okay is this even worth my time

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and I could tell right from the

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beginning okay this is this is

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interesting so I started investigating

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the case at that point in time that blog

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site had a lot of good information in it

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and then I went and began sending out

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for use and I was on your show actually

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in December right when one of the guys

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who listened to your show by the name of

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Kevin day contacted me and he happened

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to be the senior chief who was over

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radar on the USS Princeton and so just

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within a day or two of your show he had

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posted something on your site so I

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called Kevin and then he told me

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basically his story of what happened so

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I got I interviewed him in January of

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2018 and as far as I know I was the

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first person that interviewed Kevin and

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it's always good to try to get all the

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information you can in that first

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interview because you know something

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times

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in our minds right it's easy for things

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to change so you want to get that

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information while it's still fresh and

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virgin so basically this case involved a

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US carrier strike group known as carrier

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Strike Group 11

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it was southwest of San Diego I Kevin

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day was the senior chief overall the

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radar guys and so he he's he's doing his

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usual work they're doing exercises and

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he's detecting these objects on radar to

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their north and northeast up near

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Catalina Island moving at 80,000

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feet at about a hundred miles an hour so

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the first thing they do is they

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double-check the radar they make sure

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it's not you know problems with the

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radar and they as far as they can tell

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the objects are real but they pretty

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much ignore it because it's over 80,000

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feet and it's not really bothering them

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right well on the day when they're about

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to have an exercise a number of these

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objects dropped from 80,000 feet down to

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about 20,000 feet and some down to sea

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level and the time it took was 0.78

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seconds which is the number that Kevin

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had written down and remembered till

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this day Wow

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so to me that was really interesting

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right I've already read this blog about

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it now Kevin's told me basically the

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same thing and he has not seen this blog

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at that point in time so that so you

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know I'm I'm like wow this is this is

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pretty interesting so the next thing I

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do is I manage to get a hold of a guy

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who was what they call a fire control

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operator which doesn't you'd think that

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means he controls fires on the ship but

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that's not really what they do they are

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basically part of the attack group you

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know should they be at war so these guys

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have access to the radar information too

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and he basically tells me the same thing

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Kevin did he didn't say 0.78 seconds

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when I asked him how long did it take he

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said how long did it take you to put

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00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,330
that thought together you just asked me

546
00:24:01,259 --> 00:23:58,000
he said that's how long it took it to

547
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:01,269
move down yeah to 20,000 feet I said

548
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:06,090
okay that sounds like about a second so

549
00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:09,129
that's what kind of got me started on it

550
00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:11,740
and we started putting everything

551
00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:14,879
together you know we went and talked to

552
00:24:21,539 --> 00:24:18,460
lieutenant commander sleight who was the

553
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,549
other senior pilot in addition to david

554
00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:23,440
flavor who was the commander of the

555
00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:27,400
squadron and these two guys

556
00:24:33,090 --> 00:24:30,040
and I know I apologize to your listeners

557
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:33,100
the way I'm jumping around here but I

558
00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:35,290
guess I've gotten excited about this

559
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:37,480
whole thing so to back up a little bit

560
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:41,110
right radars picked these objects up

561
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:43,750
they verified it a few days later the

562
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:47,770
objects are dropping down into airspace

563
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:56,100
basically at that point senior chief de

564
00:25:02,010 --> 00:24:58,690
goes to the captain of the ship of the

565
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:02,020
ship James red Smith and he says okay

566
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,850
here's what's happening I think we

567
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:06,400
should engage these objects because

568
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:10,450
they're a safety hazard so the captain

569
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:13,090
of the Princeton agrees he contacts the

570
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:16,030
Nimitz and they send two aircraft two

571
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:18,760
f-18 Super Hornets from the USS Nimitz

572
00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:21,970
and one of the pilots from that aircraft

573
00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:26,020
is the commander David flavor and within

574
00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:30,300
the other airplane sitting as the wso is

575
00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:33,670
Lieutenant Commander Jim slate so you

576
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:37,030
got two senior guys right that are there

577
00:25:43,050 --> 00:25:40,930
going out to check this now they were

578
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:43,060
actually already in the air when they

579
00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:44,650
received their orders so it's not like

580
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:46,360
they just left the Nimitz so they're

581
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:47,860
already in the air but they received

582
00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:50,110
this order saying hey we're going to

583
00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:52,300
divert you from your current exercise

584
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:54,190
and send you to a real-life situation

585
00:25:59,640 --> 00:25:57,130
and so they head out towards this object

586
00:26:01,080 --> 00:25:59,650
okay keep it up great we're gonna take a

587
00:26:04,110 --> 00:26:01,090
break right there so they're heading out

588
00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:04,120
toward the object and that's where we'll

589
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:05,920
pick it up after the break we have to

590
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:11,380
take a break now so we're on with Robert

591
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:13,270
Powell and we're talking about the USS

592
00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:17,650
nip USS Nimitz and we will be right back

593
00:26:23,670 --> 00:26:20,920
right after this break clear

594
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:23,680
three minutes gentlemen thank you all

595
00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:25,630
right so we have three minutes and we'll

596
00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:27,820
talk about other things in this Robert

597
00:26:33,650 --> 00:26:30,190
and we'll pick that up right when we go

598
00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:33,660
back so I wanted to see if there's any

599
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:36,940
any questions and the there isn't at

600
00:26:40,419 --> 00:26:39,040
this point so one of the things I've

601
00:26:43,690 --> 00:26:40,429
mentioned when one

602
00:26:48,009 --> 00:26:43,700
and I were talking is there's a number

603
00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:48,019
of military sightings you know in it

604
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,220
goes all the way back you can talk about

605
00:26:55,749 --> 00:26:51,200
the Foo Fighters back in you know World

606
00:26:57,639 --> 00:26:55,759
War two and all that but why do you

607
00:27:00,159 --> 00:26:57,649
suppose there's so many military

608
00:27:03,789 --> 00:27:00,169
sightings I mean am I wrong to say that

609
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:03,799
there's a meaning of them now you're not

610
00:27:11,619 --> 00:27:08,799
wrong you know it's really hard to

611
00:27:13,659 --> 00:27:11,629
answer that question I mean because on

612
00:27:16,139 --> 00:27:13,669
the one hand I'm sure there's there's

613
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:16,149
even more civilian sightings right yeah

614
00:27:21,639 --> 00:27:18,590
but the problem with civilian sightings

615
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:21,649
it's more likely you can get a false

616
00:27:26,830 --> 00:27:23,990
report which you don't get with the

617
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:26,840
military right and the other thing is or

618
00:27:32,109 --> 00:27:29,480
at least in the past all your military

619
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:32,119
sightings got recorded and of course

620
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:34,730
today that doesn't happen at least not

621
00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:38,090
in the public vein until someone comes

622
00:27:43,389 --> 00:27:40,940
forth like happened in this case mm-hmm

623
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:43,399
and also Alejandro mentioned that there

624
00:27:50,169 --> 00:27:47,110
was some probably more exciting you know

625
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:50,179
encounters than the Nimitz now I know

626
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,350
that the gimballed UFO image that we saw

627
00:27:59,259 --> 00:27:56,960
you know actually was out on the New

628
00:28:01,840 --> 00:27:59,269
York Times website and everybody's seen

629
00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:01,850
it I'm sure by now that one in

630
00:28:05,859 --> 00:28:03,320
particular that was off of Florida and

631
00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:05,869
that was also a military gun camera

632
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:08,600
footage right right that that's correct

633
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:10,610
that was with another Carrier Strike

634
00:28:17,619 --> 00:28:13,940
Group in this case the main carrier was

635
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,629
the USS Roosevelt mm-hmm and there was

636
00:28:20,619 --> 00:28:19,039
some similar it sounds like there was

637
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,629
some similarities because there was

638
00:28:25,210 --> 00:28:23,600
other objects just like you know in the

639
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:25,220
Nimitz well they didn't see a lot of

640
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:27,320
other objects but I mean they did on

641
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,049
radar right right they and actually I

642
00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:36,320
had a guy in the in the service in the

643
00:28:43,499 --> 00:28:39,470
Navy contact me about that video right

644
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:43,509
after it was released and told me about

645
00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:47,570
the four other videos that existed oh is

646
00:28:50,109 --> 00:28:48,350
that right Wow

647
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:50,119
yeah I wonder how many will actually get

648
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,970
to see well we got to see one more which

649
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:54,080
was the fact what they

650
00:29:00,940 --> 00:28:59,360
they're fast fast Walker or whatever it

651
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:00,950
was yeah or whatever it was called fast

652
00:29:08,410 --> 00:29:06,650
something they named it I see and what

653
00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:08,420
were the particulars about that that

654
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:10,070
sighting in Florida do you know any more

655
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:14,570
details about that I mean the main thing

656
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:16,390
I know is that there were four other

657
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:19,130
videos one being the fast video and

658
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,530
there were three beyond that but those

659
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,880
have not been released

660
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:24,320
all right gentlemen or not they ever

661
00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:26,450
will be released who knows gentlemen

662
00:29:29,650 --> 00:29:28,790
were back in about ten seconds okay very

663
00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:29,660
good thank you

664
00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:36,140
stand by yep in three two one go all

665
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:37,940
right welcome back my guest is Robert

666
00:29:41,050 --> 00:29:38,450
Powell

667
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:41,060
and we are talking Nimitz right now and

668
00:29:45,790 --> 00:29:43,490
just before we went into break Robert

669
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:45,800
you said that they started heading out

670
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:48,950
toward what what have they had no idea

671
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:52,670
what these targets so to speak were so

672
00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:54,620
you can bring you know go from there if

673
00:30:01,890 --> 00:29:57,500
you would right so it at this point in

674
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:01,900
time you had two f-18 Super Hornet Jets

675
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:04,880
with two senior commanders in each jet

676
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:08,000
and they're heading to the southwest of

677
00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:10,220
the USS nimitz about 50 to 80 miles

678
00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:13,790
southwest and they know their targets at

679
00:30:19,420 --> 00:30:16,790
20,000 feet they don't know what you

680
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:19,430
know what the target looks like so they

681
00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:22,490
get to the point because they're in

682
00:30:29,260 --> 00:30:25,070
communication with the princeton which

683
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:29,270
is the the main radar system for that

684
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:33,110
strike group and then as they approach

685
00:30:38,110 --> 00:30:35,570
the target the princeton tells them you

686
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:38,120
have merged plot which means that on the

687
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:41,240
Princeton's radar the f-18s in the

688
00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:43,790
unknown or both at the same location

689
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,760
which means they're within a thousand

690
00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:49,520
feet or so of each other so the f-18s

691
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:51,080
just start looking around okay we're it

692
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:52,550
worse this target we don't see it on a

693
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:54,980
radar but you know the princeton tells

694
00:30:59,230 --> 00:30:56,510
us there's a target so as they're

695
00:31:03,070 --> 00:30:59,240
looking around they see this object in

696
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:03,080
the water which the water was described

697
00:31:07,940 --> 00:31:06,740
that day is almost crystal water very

698
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:07,950
still

699
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:11,250
no movement no waves and but yet in this

700
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:13,130
one area it looks like there's something

701
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:16,380
it's almost what the commander thought

702
00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:18,990
was perhaps a commercial airliner he

703
00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:21,870
crashed and it was under the water and

704
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:25,340
this was the water breaking over the jet

705
00:31:30,740 --> 00:31:28,530
apartment he also didn't hit it's not

706
00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:30,750
it's not what I've seen but I think I

707
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,100
read somewhere that it almost looked

708
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:34,200
like it had wings too like going off to

709
00:31:39,650 --> 00:31:36,930
the side like a cross or something yeah

710
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:39,660
I understand what you're saying it's not

711
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:43,140
clear to me you know exactly if he could

712
00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:44,820
truly make out the shape of what was

713
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,160
under the water or not but I have heard

714
00:31:52,550 --> 00:31:50,340
that yeah so but they do know there's

715
00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:52,560
water under the object it's causing

716
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:54,300
breaking of the water is the water

717
00:31:59,150 --> 00:31:57,570
slowly moves over it so that you know

718
00:32:01,280 --> 00:31:59,160
they're looking to see okay what's

719
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,290
happened is a boat sonic is a plane

720
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:04,200
crash because they're looking they

721
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:06,060
suddenly see this other object just

722
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:08,610
zipping around right over the water and

723
00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:13,400
it's moving in a totally random manner

724
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,950
as Captain frayberg I mean commander the

725
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:18,960
freighter described it it's almost like

726
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:20,700
a ping-pong ball the way it moves around

727
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:22,770
I mean it suddenly changes directions

728
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:27,360
and so he decides that he's going to

729
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,520
head down and get a closer look because

730
00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:32,100
remember they're at 20,000 feet because

731
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:33,630
that's where the target was originally

732
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:36,840
found and he sees this object near the

733
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:40,490
water's surface so he drops down

734
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:42,990
commander slate and the other pilots

735
00:32:48,290 --> 00:32:45,990
stay at the 20,000 feet and this kind of

736
00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:48,300
typical military operation the way they

737
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:51,780
operate in a combat type situation so he

738
00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:54,750
drops down and as he's moving down

739
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,300
towards the object

740
00:33:02,510 --> 00:32:59,460
commander freighter notes that this

741
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:02,520
tic-tac shape which is the way the

742
00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:05,970
object looked suddenly it turns one of

743
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:09,180
its points towards him and to him it

744
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:11,070
looked like it recognized that he was

745
00:33:15,860 --> 00:33:13,830
moving towards it and the object at that

746
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:15,870
point begins to move towards him and

747
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:17,670
it's almost like they're doing a

748
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:20,910
parallel pirouette dances he's moving

749
00:33:23,730 --> 00:33:21,610
down

750
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:23,740
towards it it's on the other side of a

751
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:27,190
circle moving up towards him and this

752
00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:30,130
continues and they're always staying on

753
00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:33,670
the opposite sides of the circle and at

754
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:35,470
this point he's probably around 1012

755
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:38,260
thousand feet and he decides to cut

756
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:40,809
across the circle to get to the object

757
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:45,299
well at that point in time as he's

758
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:48,610
dropping down rapidly towards the object

759
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:52,630
the object suddenly just makes a slight

760
00:34:00,060 --> 00:33:56,890
move and then it basically takes off and

761
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:00,070
is and here's the key thing is a

762
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:02,890
commander frayberg described is the

763
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:06,429
object disappears and basically one to

764
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:09,010
two seconds and he described it as you

765
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:10,510
know if you're at an airshow and you're

766
00:34:17,099 --> 00:34:14,409
sitting there and jets go by you it

767
00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:17,109
takes 10 11 seconds before they

768
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:19,840
disappear on the horizon but he said

769
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:21,700
this is not what happened here this

770
00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:25,570
object was gone in 1 to 2 seconds well

771
00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:28,119
meanwhile right you've got commander

772
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:30,340
sleight Lieutenant Commander Slade

773
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:32,080
who's up above from a totally different

774
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:34,929
altitude different perspective he

775
00:34:40,649 --> 00:34:37,330
describes the same thing he describes it

776
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:40,659
as like a bullet shot out of a gun so

777
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:43,359
you've got two experienced guys two

778
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:46,500
different angles two different altitudes

779
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:51,010
seeing the same thing happen so you

780
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:52,690
either have to decide you don't believe

781
00:34:58,500 --> 00:34:56,530
these two experienced Navy pilots or you

782
00:35:01,050 --> 00:34:58,510
decide you do believe them and if you

783
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:01,060
believe them you've just had an object

784
00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:04,840
disappear in an extremely rapid rate

785
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:07,900
which you could calculate how fast you'd

786
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:09,670
have to move in order to disappear from

787
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:11,410
sight and that's one of the things we're

788
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:16,170
doing our report so that's kind of the

789
00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:21,190
story in a nutshell so to me it kind of

790
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:24,280
boils down to this did it happen that's

791
00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:25,810
the first thing you have to ask yourself

792
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:28,840
did this really happen mmm and in my

793
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,850
mind there's no doubt that it happened I

794
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:33,280
mean you got a senior chief over radar

795
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:35,080
who says it happened

796
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:38,290
you've got the fire controller who saw

797
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:40,750
the radar and says it happened you've

798
00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:43,330
got an experience commander of a

799
00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:46,600
squadron who graduated from Annapolis

800
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:48,550
and the lieutenant commander who

801
00:35:53,850 --> 00:35:50,740
graduated from Annapolis both with

802
00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:53,860
several thousand flight hours who see

803
00:36:00,360 --> 00:35:57,070
this from two different angles and saw

804
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:00,370
it happen and then to kind of top it up

805
00:36:09,830 --> 00:36:05,190
off later about two hours later another

806
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:09,840
jet leaves the Nimitz and commanders

807
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:14,650
flavor asks that pilot that if they can

808
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:17,230
to take video because that plane unlike

809
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:22,600
his has a Fleur pod on it and they pick

810
00:36:28,170 --> 00:36:25,570
up an object which David flavor and Jim

811
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:28,180
slate says it's the same type of object

812
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:30,700
they encountered and that shows up on

813
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:33,550
their video so when you take all those

814
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:36,130
together right you can kind of you know

815
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:37,690
people like to say well maybe this

816
00:36:41,580 --> 00:36:39,490
didn't happen on the radar maybe this

817
00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:41,590
didn't happen with commander flavor

818
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:43,540
maybe this didn't happen with Lieutenant

819
00:36:49,110 --> 00:36:45,400
Commander Slater this didn't happen with

820
00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:49,120
the video but you can't say all these

821
00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:52,660
maybes and combine them all together to

822
00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:55,030
try to explain away an incident that

823
00:37:01,830 --> 00:36:56,680
happened so in my mind there's no doubt

824
00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:01,840
its curd and the issue is that the

825
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:04,060
United States Navy has that information

826
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:07,750
that radar data the raw data was not

827
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,720
thrown away so there's a lot of

828
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:12,640
scientific information it could be

829
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:15,510
obtained from that radar data you know

830
00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:19,630
exactly how did that object move in

831
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:21,870
point seven eight seconds was it a

832
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:25,500
linear movement or was it a you know

833
00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:30,060
kind of a sudden step type movement and

834
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:33,580
when the the planes engaged the object

835
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:35,430
what was the radar picking up and

836
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:39,130
meanwhile there was also a what they

837
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:42,700
call a Hawkeye aircraft it's it's

838
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:46,870
similar to a basically a plane with

839
00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:48,010
radar or

840
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:49,840
in the scholar foot dish from the top

841
00:37:56,609 --> 00:37:53,440
yeah yeah 24 foot dish or so and it has

842
00:37:59,820 --> 00:37:56,619
a lot of electromagnetic information

843
00:38:02,430 --> 00:37:59,830
that it captured so a lot of effort a

844
00:38:04,859 --> 00:38:02,440
lot of knowledge could be obtained from

845
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:04,869
this type of information if it could be

846
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:07,210
released to the scientific community to

847
00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:11,440
be analyzed mm-hmm we have a number of

848
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:13,540
questions of one inch at just came in

849
00:38:18,270 --> 00:38:15,570
and you're talking about the camera

850
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:18,280
running out there and you know getting

851
00:38:26,090 --> 00:38:20,170
some footage and so Lorraine in the

852
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:26,100
chatroom wanted to know how do know of

853
00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:28,750
purposeful upgrades to cameras to

854
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:31,420
capture better footage and if anyone is

855
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:33,010
working on it I think she means in the

856
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:35,020
military do you know anything about that

857
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:36,400
I mean they're pretty sensitive now

858
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:38,890
right right they're very sensitive now

859
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:41,710
and they were sensitive then everyone

860
00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:44,470
that I talked to and I interviewed

861
00:38:55,590 --> 00:38:49,000
Lieutenant Commander slate and it Kevin

862
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:55,600
day I interviewed let's see also Jason

863
00:39:03,090 --> 00:38:58,810
Turner and Gary Burris and all of those

864
00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:03,100
guys saw the video on board the USS

865
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:06,280
Princeton and in the case of slate it

866
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:08,440
was on board the USS Nimitz and every

867
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:11,050
one of them said that the video was a

868
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:14,020
much higher quality that they saw then

869
00:39:19,770 --> 00:39:17,650
what has been released so I could you

870
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:19,780
know I'm sure the videos better quality

871
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:23,050
is to you know what happened why it is

872
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,420
not of the same quality as it was that

873
00:39:29,099 --> 00:39:27,280
they originally saw you know I don't

874
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:29,109
can't answer that it might have been

875
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:31,570
like infrared or something or some other

876
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,090
type of spectrum they were recording in

877
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:36,880
on the one that's available and well

878
00:39:41,849 --> 00:39:38,770
then they were both my understanding is

879
00:39:44,849 --> 00:39:41,859
they were both in infrared but that the

880
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:44,859
infrared video is much more clear than

881
00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:47,350
one that was really East too bad they

882
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:49,060
don't release that one that's the one we

883
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:52,540
want to see right well I think it's the

884
00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:54,670
same video I just think the video has

885
00:39:59,340 --> 00:39:57,400
been degraded the other thing that all

886
00:40:01,920 --> 00:39:59,350
of the witnesses indicated was the video

887
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:01,930
was much longer than the video

888
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:05,410
was released and commander slate gave a

889
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:07,480
very good reason for why that would be

890
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:10,270
because he said if you're going into a

891
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:13,240
situation whether it's combat or

892
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,990
whatever you don't wait until you get

893
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,880
into the situation to turn on your

894
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:21,520
recorder you do that as soon as you

895
00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:25,150
leave the ship and so the video would

896
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:28,660
have begun but prior to what we're we

897
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:31,270
are seen I would have begun as soon as

898
00:40:38,849 --> 00:40:34,960
you know it starts showing up so the

899
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:38,859
videos was clearly cut at some point for

900
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:41,050
whatever reason I don't know they're

901
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:44,050
that question came up to Lou Elizondo

902
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:47,250
and he had he said that they will only

903
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,010
declassify segments at a time for some

904
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:53,920
reason and I have no idea why you know

905
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:56,470
maybe it's something technological that

906
00:41:00,690 --> 00:40:58,089
they don't understand and don't want to

907
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:00,700
release it you know who knows what that

908
00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:05,470
reason would be for you mentioned of a

909
00:41:12,359 --> 00:41:07,720
commander slate also I know there was a

910
00:41:15,539 --> 00:41:12,369
a female I think she was the wingman and

911
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:15,549
she was her first carrier deployment and

912
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,170
she was actually the pilot in slights

913
00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:22,000
okay so he was the what's called the

914
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:24,369
Weezer or whatever the what right yeah

915
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:28,630
weapons system officer yeah um so she's

916
00:41:34,049 --> 00:41:31,690
not talking I do you know anything about

917
00:41:35,309 --> 00:41:34,059
her and why is she just was she

918
00:41:35,809 --> 00:41:35,319
terrified do you know anything about

919
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:35,819
that

920
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:39,520
well I know I know the identification of

921
00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:42,940
all of both other pilots but neither one

922
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:45,880
of them wants to talk so I honor the

923
00:41:52,859 --> 00:41:50,170
privacy and I've not you know I don't

924
00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:52,869
intend the SCU does not intend to

925
00:41:57,930 --> 00:41:56,140
violate their privacy so I would just be

926
00:42:00,329 --> 00:41:57,940
speculating as to why she doesn't want

927
00:42:02,339 --> 00:42:00,339
to talk I just know if she doesn't and

928
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:02,349
we're honoring that yeah

929
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,089
now how early on did I obviously they

930
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:09,760
weren't told to not talk about the

931
00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:10,990
incident which i think is kind of

932
00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:14,020
interesting but and I understand there

933
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:15,700
was some footage on YouTube pretty

934
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:19,480
early on I don't know for sure if it was

935
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:20,680
nimitz or what but it was something

936
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:24,460
similar to that but when do you know

937
00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:26,470
that people started talking about it I

938
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:29,560
mean 2004 is quite a you know what 13

939
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:33,670
years ago 14 years ago almost 15 did

940
00:42:38,310 --> 00:42:35,470
people start talking about it right away

941
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:38,320
do you have any idea about that you know

942
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:41,140
I would have to to go look at our report

943
00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:45,990
to give you the exact date Martin but I

944
00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:50,339
believe it was first talked about in

945
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:56,980
2007 there were discussions on above top

946
00:43:05,339 --> 00:43:01,440
secret that site there were also

947
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:05,349
discussions we found on Facebook back

948
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:07,390
then the mostess got the latter

949
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:10,300
the former above top secrets kind of a

950
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:14,170
UFO type site right the latter on

951
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:17,950
Facebook was was on a navy Facebook site

952
00:43:23,130 --> 00:43:20,470
so that that was just basically Navy

953
00:43:24,809 --> 00:43:23,140
guys saying hey do you remember this do

954
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:24,819
you remember what happened that kind of

955
00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:25,859
thing hmm

956
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:29,349
so let's talk about your report is your

957
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:32,710
is your report just a factual thing that

958
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:36,609
can be anyone can research or what is

959
00:43:44,579 --> 00:43:40,810
how does that work well the report is

960
00:43:45,569 --> 00:43:44,589
over 250 pages well a lot of those are

961
00:43:48,780 --> 00:43:45,579
appendices

962
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:48,790
the bulk of the port the main bodies 20

963
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:52,240
pages and the appendices basically

964
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:54,700
support the 20 pages that are written

965
00:44:00,599 --> 00:43:57,970
that's a lot yeah yeah and so we wrote

966
00:44:03,059 --> 00:44:00,609
it basically as much as we could in the

967
00:44:06,329 --> 00:44:03,069
way you write a scientific paper and

968
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,339
we've had a peer review within the

969
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:08,800
scientific Coalition for ufology because

970
00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:11,740
within our organization we have multiple

971
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:15,700
PhDs in physics oceanography in other

972
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:21,420
areas and you know they're familiar with

973
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:24,730
sending papers out to various journals

974
00:44:29,339 --> 00:44:27,430
so we've written it in that manner

975
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:29,349
so it'll be done more seriously

976
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:33,430
basically right right yeah we don't you

977
00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:35,470
know we don't jump to any conclusions we

978
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:37,470
just kind of state the facts and do

979
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:39,640
calculations based on the information we

980
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:42,970
have available to us so that's how the

981
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:45,700
the paper is written as far as

982
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:49,930
information I mean 99.9% of everything

983
00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:53,950
that we have there we had available to

984
00:45:01,019 --> 00:44:58,270
us back in March of 2018 but we take but

985
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:01,029
we've spent this last nine to ten months

986
00:45:06,809 --> 00:45:04,089
basically writing developing the paper

987
00:45:10,289 --> 00:45:06,819
and having a peer review within our

988
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,299
organization so it's not like we will be

989
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:12,400
releasing some information no one is

990
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:16,390
hurt before it's it's we're just putting

991
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:21,270
it together in a just a concise package

992
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:25,510
more or less I see now is there it as

993
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:26,559
far as you know is there any

994
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:28,900
misconceptions about the whole event out

995
00:45:33,329 --> 00:45:31,450
there that's like rumors traveling

996
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:33,339
around or is it has it been pretty close

997
00:45:38,849 --> 00:45:37,510
to factual well it that's a difficult

998
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:38,859
question because I don't know what all

999
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:42,760
rumors you know I avoid somewhat the

1000
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:45,130
social media sites because you know

1001
00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:47,020
they're black holes that you can just

1002
00:45:54,059 --> 00:45:49,420
get sucked down into yeah and there's

1003
00:45:59,010 --> 00:45:54,069
very little value in that I'm not aware

1004
00:46:00,779 --> 00:45:59,020
of off the top of my head of any rumors

1005
00:46:03,059 --> 00:46:00,789
that are necessarily not true I mean if

1006
00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:03,069
you mentioned some like to tell you if

1007
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:06,940
they're true or not but well I did hear

1008
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:09,490
you know I personally did hear people

1009
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:11,650
were saying the object was above the

1010
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:14,770
water or not in the water and you know

1011
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:17,020
so that's pretty much put to bed as far

1012
00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:19,390
as uh as far as what you talked about

1013
00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:21,670
and you know more of its out there that

1014
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:22,900
it was something that was under the

1015
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:26,740
water and unseen right I mean basically

1016
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:29,020
we deal with the object that's above the

1017
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:30,190
water mmm

1018
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:33,690
because what you know what is first seen

1019
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:36,970
also by another pilot named curve which

1020
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:39,020
I didn't mention earlier but what

1021
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:42,320
scene you know immediately below the

1022
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:44,450
water we don't have a lot of information

1023
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:47,660
on other than you know a total of three

1024
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:51,200
jets that witnessed it but other than

1025
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:52,700
that we don't that's the only

1026
00:46:57,250 --> 00:46:55,490
information we have so we did not spend

1027
00:46:59,830 --> 00:46:57,260
any time on that we spent the time on

1028
00:47:02,410 --> 00:46:59,840
the object its we have the information

1029
00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:02,420
on it and before we went live I

1030
00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:05,270
mentioned to you that I heard that's and

1031
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:07,640
I don't know if this is wrong or correct

1032
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,210
that it was some people are saying that

1033
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:13,760
it was like a cross like shape in the

1034
00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:17,930
water but but you don't really know

1035
00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:19,070
anything about that one way or the other

1036
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:22,220
right right III don't know for sure what

1037
00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:24,350
the the shape wads and I'm not sure

1038
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:30,620
anyone truly does yeah okay so we have a

1039
00:47:36,610 --> 00:47:33,250
couple of questions that came in and

1040
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:36,620
from Carrie and this one here is what is

1041
00:47:41,050 --> 00:47:39,170
your opinion and how the tic-tac object

1042
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:41,060
seemed to be one step ahead of commander

1043
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:45,460
flavor by rear pair reappearing at the

1044
00:47:50,650 --> 00:47:48,380
combat Air Patrol rendezvous location

1045
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:50,660
before he arrived there that was pretty

1046
00:47:55,570 --> 00:47:52,730
amazing yeah that's an interesting

1047
00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:55,580
question and I should explain a little

1048
00:48:02,170 --> 00:47:59,090
bit about what the combat area or the

1049
00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:02,180
cap point what that refers to

1050
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:03,860
basically when you have a carrier Strike

1051
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:07,190
Group right they which consists I guess

1052
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:14,800
is a minimum of a aircraft carrier a the

1053
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:17,810
ship similar to the USS Princeton which

1054
00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:21,050
is a missile cruiser and at least two

1055
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,960
destroyers and a nuclear attack

1056
00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:26,480
submarine which in this case was the USS

1057
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:32,630
Lewis Louisville so but so basically you

1058
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:36,760
you have that strike group and they're

1059
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:39,590
you know moving through that and I'm I'm

1060
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,270
gonna have to apologize Martin I've

1061
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:44,480
gotten carried away now so a question

1062
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:48,290
okay on the cap point so your your f-18

1063
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:50,090
Super Hornets part of their job is to

1064
00:48:55,799 --> 00:48:52,089
protect that striker

1065
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:55,809
so they have four cat points around the

1066
00:49:02,849 --> 00:49:00,420
Carrier Strike Group and those are

1067
00:49:06,859 --> 00:49:02,859
arbitrarily well they're not arbitrary

1068
00:49:09,689 --> 00:49:06,869
but they're identified by altitude

1069
00:49:12,209 --> 00:49:09,699
longitude and latitude so you've got

1070
00:49:14,099 --> 00:49:12,219
these four points and so you have a

1071
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,109
squadron around each of those points or

1072
00:49:20,609 --> 00:49:17,099
a number of jets to protect the group

1073
00:49:22,859 --> 00:49:20,619
the location of those cat points is

1074
00:49:25,529 --> 00:49:22,869
unknown to anyone except those with the

1075
00:49:28,769 --> 00:49:25,539
need to know such as the pilots and key

1076
00:49:32,429 --> 00:49:28,779
personnel on the ships well what

1077
00:49:35,939 --> 00:49:32,439
happened in this case is that after the

1078
00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:35,949
incident of the engagement was commander

1079
00:49:41,579 --> 00:49:37,390
freighter in this object and the object

1080
00:49:45,469 --> 00:49:41,589
disappears rapidly he's headed back to

1081
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:45,479
the Nimitz when the USS Princeton calls

1082
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:48,670
radio Sam and says you're not going to

1083
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:51,369
believe this but that object is back at

1084
00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:55,150
your cat Point right so what's unique in

1085
00:50:01,319 --> 00:49:58,630
that question is the implication of how

1086
00:50:07,499 --> 00:50:01,329
did the object know where his cat point

1087
00:50:12,779 --> 00:50:07,509
was right so either it had to know maybe

1088
00:50:15,059 --> 00:50:12,789
somehow by observing his his movement

1089
00:50:19,169 --> 00:50:15,069
which I don't think is likely or -

1090
00:50:22,529 --> 00:50:19,179
somehow it intercepted communications or

1091
00:50:24,539 --> 00:50:22,539
three you know I mean you can get into

1092
00:50:26,759 --> 00:50:24,549
more speculative things like well it

1093
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:26,769
read somebody you know read something

1094
00:50:34,469 --> 00:50:31,569
honest yeah but so if you assume that

1095
00:50:36,839 --> 00:50:34,479
that is true right that this object went

1096
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:36,849
back to a cat point and and that has

1097
00:50:41,609 --> 00:50:38,890
been stated by commander flavor who

1098
00:50:45,269 --> 00:50:41,619
received that statement over the radio

1099
00:50:48,479 --> 00:50:45,279
and it's you know been confirmed by

1100
00:50:54,179 --> 00:50:48,489
senior chief de right who was on the USS

1101
00:50:58,679 --> 00:50:54,189
Princeton you have to realize that a cat

1102
00:51:02,689 --> 00:50:58,689
point is a very small point in terms of

1103
00:51:05,249 --> 00:51:02,699
you've got this huge amount of

1104
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:05,259
operational area that the strike force

1105
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,750
is worth

1106
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:08,000
in right so for the for this unknown

1107
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:11,530
object to know where the cap point is

1108
00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:18,470
says that it is it's it's like it is

1109
00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:21,620
telling them I am aware of what you're

1110
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,390
doing I'm aware of your procedures right

1111
00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:28,640
it's almost like it's almost a method of

1112
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:31,220
communication it's like here I'm going

1113
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:34,880
to communicate to you that I know right

1114
00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:38,090
I'm not just an arbitrary point moving

1115
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:40,820
through your sky there is a certain

1116
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:44,050
level of intelligence to what I'm doing

1117
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:47,810
right so that that's I'm not saying

1118
00:51:53,170 --> 00:51:49,610
that's absolutely what happened right

1119
00:51:56,770 --> 00:51:53,180
because we don't know but I'm just

1120
00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:56,780
saying that's that question is a good

1121
00:52:00,850 --> 00:51:58,730
question because it it makes you

1122
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,860
consider that possibility and at this

1123
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:02,480
point in time all you can say that's a

1124
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:04,730
possibility yeah yeah that is pretty

1125
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:06,410
bizarre the one thing that I'm a little

1126
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:10,010
bit confused about is during the

1127
00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:14,900
exercises they were flying they they

1128
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:17,630
talk about that they're armed with

1129
00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:20,930
something and and they're surprised at

1130
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:22,280
their arm do you know anything about

1131
00:52:26,770 --> 00:52:25,880
that no they're not armed they're not

1132
00:52:32,890 --> 00:52:26,780
armed

1133
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:32,900
they're us territorial waters and as

1134
00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:35,900
commander fragrant that would be very

1135
00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:38,870
unusual for them to be armed while

1136
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:41,750
they're doing practices yeah then I

1137
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:43,010
guess that's one of the things that I

1138
00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:47,240
that I heard that is not not true right

1139
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:49,940
that's not true as a matter of fact

1140
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:52,490
Lieutenant Commander Jim slate indicated

1141
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,710
they were not armed and commander Frey

1142
00:52:58,900 --> 00:52:56,960
were made a point of saying the only

1143
00:53:01,000 --> 00:52:58,910
armament he had he would have to a

1144
00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:01,010
hammer off of this plane because it was

1145
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:02,900
a training missile that was attached to

1146
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:05,450
his plane and did not fire training

1147
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:09,110
missile okay yeah I saw that then

1148
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:13,040
there's also a time in and some of the

1149
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:22,770
she's concerned because is there moving

1150
00:53:31,020 --> 00:53:27,250
into this area right and they don't know

1151
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:31,030
what they're coming against you know

1152
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:33,400
they're assuming the possibility that

1153
00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:35,590
perhaps it's a aircraft you know kinda

1154
00:53:39,420 --> 00:53:37,660
like 9/11 right something like that they

1155
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:39,430
have no idea you know thoughts are

1156
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:42,010
running through their head that they

1157
00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:43,630
might have to use their jet is a

1158
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:46,420
battering ram right because they don't

1159
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:51,520
have weapons I see I see we just got a

1160
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:54,910
couple minutes left until we go into

1161
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:00,400
break and there there seems to be a lot

1162
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:03,250
of activity in the they were out toward

1163
00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:06,430
Catalina Island not far from it and it

1164
00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:08,740
just seems I mean now there's even a UFO

1165
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:11,320
tour you can take there and there's but

1166
00:54:17,970 --> 00:54:15,550
there's been so much activity in in that

1167
00:54:20,010 --> 00:54:17,980
area that's pretty strange I mean going

1168
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:20,020
back out I know there was a great film

1169
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,090
back in the 1960s I think it was do you

1170
00:54:30,990 --> 00:54:28,240
know if there's you know is this a

1171
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:31,000
constant area of it like a what they

1172
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:34,150
call hotspot are you aware of that yes

1173
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:35,950
I've got a little bit I haven't seen the

1174
00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:38,740
film be referred to but we have a

1175
00:54:44,070 --> 00:54:42,220
different project and in the SCU and

1176
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:44,080
that project is we're looking at well

1177
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:47,440
you call us OS mm-hmm so these rate

1178
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,800
reports of underwater submerged objects

1179
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:52,960
yeah and so what we've done we've you

1180
00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:54,610
know we've gone across history from when

1181
00:55:01,500 --> 00:54:57,460
all this began in 1947 to modern times

1182
00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:01,510
in plotting only us owes right we throw

1183
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:07,390
out you fos right and that we and we're

1184
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:09,490
going to do a statistical analysis so

1185
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:12,790
this is very preliminary so I can't say

1186
00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:17,200
this is statistically correct other than

1187
00:55:23,850 --> 00:55:20,950
I look at numbers all the time and I can

1188
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:23,860
kind of tell and I would say that there

1189
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:28,740
are two areas in the world where the

1190
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:31,970
reports of us owes are very high

1191
00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:33,760
it's Catalina Island in Puerto Rico

1192
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:38,420
those two areas have much many more

1193
00:55:44,620 --> 00:55:41,090
reports than their population justifies

1194
00:55:46,530 --> 00:55:44,630
right mm-hmm because normally reports

1195
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:46,540
are based on population because people

1196
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:49,070
make incorrect reports so the more

1197
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:51,530
people you have an area the more UFO

1198
00:55:56,980 --> 00:55:54,530
reports the more USO reports but

1199
00:55:58,980 --> 00:55:56,990
Catalina Island Puerto Rico have much

1200
00:56:01,150 --> 00:55:58,990
more than their population justifies

1201
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,160
interesting and it's really unusual

1202
00:56:05,170 --> 00:56:03,680
underwater mmm there's that underwater

1203
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:05,180
forest out there and all that that's

1204
00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:08,930
really okay okay I don't know what the

1205
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:11,480
reason behind it yeah yeah all right

1206
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:13,570
we're ready to go into break right now

1207
00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:17,180
my guest tonight is a Robert Powell and

1208
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:18,980
we'll be right back right after this

1209
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:21,160
break hang in there

1210
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:23,690
clear three minutes gentlemen three

1211
00:56:28,750 --> 00:56:26,450
mutter we'll be right back okay

1212
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:28,760
all right everyone so we are still live

1213
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:33,710
and we are going to take a look see if

1214
00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:35,630
we have any questions here we're gonna

1215
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:40,670
be talking taking calls after we come

1216
00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:43,910
back I think this this case I know we've

1217
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:45,500
talked about for a couple weeks now

1218
00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:47,420
Huggins you know considering last

1219
00:56:50,859 --> 00:56:50,060
weekend but I do think it's a it's a

1220
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:50,869
really good one

1221
00:57:00,430 --> 00:56:52,580
later on in the show we'll be talking

1222
00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:00,440
about other UFO not incidents but we're

1223
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:02,390
going to be talking about I think we're

1224
00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:04,940
gonna get into the triangle UFOs also

1225
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:06,740
because that is another thing that

1226
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:09,950
Robert Powell has looked into you back I

1227
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:15,020
am back so yeah we have two minutes left

1228
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:20,240
to this break-in I guess I in this break

1229
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:23,420
can you tell I think you said you were

1230
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:26,410
really young and you read a J Alan Hynek

1231
00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:31,820
book is that is that really what did you

1232
00:57:35,770 --> 00:57:33,740
kind of have some type of fascination in

1233
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,780
the whole thing before or was that you

1234
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:37,760
had no clue about it how does that no

1235
00:57:42,940 --> 00:57:41,359
clue yeah until I read that book and it

1236
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:42,950
was just logical right I mean I just

1237
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:44,390
read to what he said and I said well

1238
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:45,210
there's got to be

1239
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:49,890
something to this mm-hmm now in your and

1240
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:51,210
your travels have you ever had any

1241
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:53,970
ridicule for looking into the subject

1242
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:00,240
oh I mean there's always you know it's

1243
00:58:04,070 --> 00:58:02,250
kind of like behind the scenes you know

1244
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:04,080
if you tell just like all of us have

1245
00:58:08,540 --> 00:58:06,300
right if you tell somebody that you look

1246
00:58:09,980 --> 00:58:08,550
into this subject you know you can just

1247
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:09,990
kind of tell that the wheels are turning

1248
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:14,040
and they're like hmm not everyone no I

1249
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,050
think you know some people find it very

1250
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:18,720
interesting and you know oh yeah yeah

1251
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:20,280
especially if there's someone who had a

1252
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,310
sighting oh yeah those people yeah they

1253
00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:26,520
really enjoyed it and I give library

1254
00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:29,670
talks all the time and after my talk

1255
00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:31,020
there's always one or two people that

1256
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:34,590
comes up for everyone's left to tell me

1257
00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:36,540
the case yeah yeah do wait till everyone

1258
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:39,150
leaves they feel comfortable yeah I was

1259
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,290
uh I was at an auction last weekend and

1260
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:44,160
someone that works at this auction

1261
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:46,140
gallery they know she actually had a

1262
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:48,780
sighting herself and she was so excited

1263
00:58:52,340 --> 00:58:50,220
to talk to me she goes oh my daughter

1264
00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:52,350
had a UFO sighting oh my god she was

1265
00:58:56,660 --> 00:58:54,840
telling me she pulled over and she said

1266
00:58:59,300 --> 00:58:56,670
she got out of the car and the thing

1267
00:59:00,800 --> 00:58:59,310
went right over she was no sound and she

1268
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:00,810
said she tried to take pictures and they

1269
00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:02,370
came out horrible you know if there was

1270
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:04,470
some lights and you know who knows what

1271
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:07,530
it was but yeah it's it is interesting

1272
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:09,930
that there are so many sightings I think

1273
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:12,660
we're going to go back and like about 10

1274
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:15,510
minutes 10 seconds right bill about 30

1275
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:18,330
seconds oh is that all right okay yeah a

1276
00:59:22,790 --> 00:59:21,240
lot of these people it's it's something

1277
00:59:24,830 --> 00:59:22,800
that allows them to get it off their

1278
00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:24,840
chest yes they really have been able to

1279
00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:25,500
tell anyone

1280
00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:27,480
yeah a lot of people have said that a

1281
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:30,600
lot of people that do talks they say the

1282
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:31,890
same thing people just want to be heard

1283
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:34,410
a lot of times in yeah yeah and you've

1284
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:36,210
got to get the info bin because a lot of

1285
00:59:40,070 --> 00:59:38,250
times they they won't come back and kill

1286
00:59:42,050 --> 00:59:40,080
you again yeah all right talk about it

1287
00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:42,060
again okay Adam I'm back in about five

1288
00:59:47,180 --> 00:59:43,670
seconds all right we're ready here and

1289
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:47,190
three two one go

1290
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:49,740
all right my guest tonight is Robert

1291
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:51,420
Powell this is Martin Willis with

1292
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:53,250
podcast UFO remember to go check out

1293
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:56,520
podcast UFO calm a lot of good stuff

1294
01:00:02,820 --> 00:59:57,790
over there

1295
01:00:04,410 --> 01:00:02,830
and so moving on we are going to take

1296
01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:04,420
calls if anyone would like to call in

1297
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:07,480
we'll put that number up and if anyone

1298
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:09,670
would like to talk about the nimitz case

1299
01:00:12,860 --> 01:00:10,990
because we're going to move on and talk

1300
01:00:17,580 --> 01:00:12,870
about other things in this second hour

1301
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:17,590
here and the object itself this is a

1302
01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:20,230
it's pretty bizarre it was shaped like a

1303
01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:23,590
tic-tac evidently was white like you

1304
01:00:29,970 --> 01:00:27,460
know the mint tic-tac and but there's

1305
01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:29,980
also there was little tiny what almost

1306
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:32,140
look like antennas underneath it is that

1307
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:35,670
did you hear about that as well yes

1308
01:00:44,370 --> 01:00:40,570
commander flavor described too small and

1309
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:44,380
tin or leg like objects that were

1310
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:48,880
beneath the the tic-tac mm-hmm that is

1311
01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:50,710
interesting and when we went to break we

1312
01:00:55,650 --> 01:00:53,080
were talking about Catalina and you were

1313
01:00:58,410 --> 01:00:55,660
talking about us OS and doing that

1314
01:01:00,810 --> 01:00:58,420
research and someone is speaking of us

1315
01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:00,820
oh the object under the water someone

1316
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:03,220
put in chat they wondered if the nimitz

1317
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:05,050
had any or no this was from carey

1318
01:01:12,420 --> 01:01:10,090
wondered if there was any sonar evidence

1319
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:12,430
about that object but it was so far away

1320
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,470
from the nimitz right wasn't that like

1321
01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:16,960
sixty miles out or something right it

1322
01:01:24,750 --> 01:01:20,920
was and I'm not a sonar expert yeah but

1323
01:01:27,630 --> 01:01:24,760
my understanding is that you know SONA

1324
01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:27,640
sonars is limited by the condition of

1325
01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:29,830
the water the depth of the water a lot

1326
01:01:35,850 --> 01:01:31,390
of you know the amount of noise going

1327
01:01:38,550 --> 01:01:35,860
through the water at the time and at

1328
01:01:40,410 --> 01:01:38,560
least based on my understanding the

1329
01:01:43,110 --> 01:01:40,420
distance from the nimitz would have

1330
01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:43,120
probably been too far for them to picked

1331
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:45,940
up by anything on sonar in the case of

1332
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:50,020
the USS Princeton which also has sonar

1333
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:52,870
I've got conflicting reports we have one

1334
01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:54,850
guy on the ship who said the was

1335
01:02:00,030 --> 01:01:57,220
something detected on sonar another

1336
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:00,040
person who said there was not so that

1337
01:02:06,420 --> 01:02:03,160
that's kind of conflicting and then USS

1338
01:02:08,550 --> 01:02:06,430
Louisville the nuclear submarine an area

1339
01:02:11,579 --> 01:02:08,560
supposedly did not pick up anything on

1340
01:02:14,579 --> 01:02:11,589
sonar so that doesn't mean

1341
01:02:17,269 --> 01:02:14,589
nothing in the water yeah just means you

1342
01:02:19,739 --> 01:02:17,279
know nothing was detected on some are

1343
01:02:22,890 --> 01:02:19,749
speaking of detecting the e-2 Hawkeye

1344
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:22,900
that was up in the air they're flying

1345
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:25,599
around very sensitive radar I mean I

1346
01:02:32,579 --> 01:02:29,920
would think it's kind of strange that it

1347
01:02:36,089 --> 01:02:32,589
didn't pick up any you know it had no

1348
01:02:39,059 --> 01:02:36,099
radar returns on the objects only in the

1349
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:39,069
Princeton any reason for that in

1350
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,960
particular you know well that yeah let

1351
01:02:46,259 --> 01:02:42,880
me explain that's not totally correct

1352
01:02:48,539 --> 01:02:46,269
but well for starters the USS Princeton

1353
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,549
has the most powerful radar this what's

1354
01:02:53,819 --> 01:02:50,559
called the spy 1b radar it's the most

1355
01:02:56,579 --> 01:02:53,829
advanced radar around I mean that radar

1356
01:03:00,779 --> 01:02:56,589
system was used in the think it was in

1357
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:00,789
the 1990s I'm not sure the exact date to

1358
01:03:06,749 --> 01:03:03,849
actually shoot down a satellite in a

1359
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:06,759
tells that the Navy Iran yeah so they've

1360
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:10,569
got in the state of the art the

1361
01:03:16,289 --> 01:03:13,930
Princeton detected the objects and the

1362
01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:16,299
normally the e-2 Hawkeye would have been

1363
01:03:24,329 --> 01:03:19,660
in control of the f-18s but they did not

1364
01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:24,339
detect the object but the Princeton gave

1365
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:27,160
them information on the exact location

1366
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:30,249
and I'm not sure exactly what they did

1367
01:03:35,309 --> 01:03:33,369
to narrow the radar beam to that

1368
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:35,319
location but once they did that they

1369
01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:38,319
were able to detect the object but they

1370
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:40,420
did not have as strong a signal

1371
01:03:47,299 --> 01:03:43,599
it's what the Princeton has and then the

1372
01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:47,309
other thing too to just to know is that

1373
01:03:57,329 --> 01:03:51,880
the aegis system allows all the ships of

1374
01:03:59,039 --> 01:03:57,339
the strike group to be aware what the

1375
01:04:01,049 --> 01:03:59,049
radar from all the systems are seen

1376
01:04:03,299 --> 01:04:01,059
because all the radar from all these

1377
01:04:05,999 --> 01:04:03,309
systems is coordinated so you have the

1378
01:04:12,029 --> 01:04:06,009
Hawkeye link right the aircraft carrier

1379
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:12,039
you have the cruiser and and I'm sure

1380
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:13,599
it's classified I don't know how the

1381
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:16,690
algorithm works that takes the data from

1382
01:04:23,789 --> 01:04:20,049
all these different sources and you know

1383
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:23,799
displays it and but it ain't right

1384
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:25,210
that's that's kind of the story

1385
01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:29,170
the Hawkeye now I understand that after

1386
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:32,830
the incident it appeared like at one

1387
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,020
point I don't even know when it was but

1388
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:36,640
and this may be just one another one of

1389
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:38,740
those things out there that may not be

1390
01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:40,930
true but they saw like dozens and dozens

1391
01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:44,470
of these objects at one time is that

1392
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:48,940
true on the radar and kind of on radar

1393
01:04:53,340 --> 01:04:50,980
yeah let me explain it yeah okay so

1394
01:04:56,070 --> 01:04:53,350
senior chief de II was the one who first

1395
01:04:58,920 --> 01:04:56,080
was monitoring them and he had indicated

1396
01:05:01,710 --> 01:04:58,930
when I interviewed him that over the

1397
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:01,720
course of three or four days he had seen

1398
01:05:08,330 --> 01:05:05,200
a total of about 50 objects but that

1399
01:05:12,090 --> 01:05:08,340
doesn't mean it's 50 different objects

1400
01:05:15,570 --> 01:05:12,100
the most he ever saw at one time he said

1401
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:15,580
was 11 objects at one time on radar

1402
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:18,880
he would see as few as three or four as

1403
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:22,570
many as 11 so the only thing you can say

1404
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:27,430
for certain is that radar detected at

1405
01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:32,290
least 11 objects right yeah but that

1406
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:34,420
number 50 comes because he's added up

1407
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:37,090
all the objects he saw over three or

1408
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:38,950
four days I got it I got it

1409
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:41,680
we have a call we have a caller on the

1410
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:45,610
line do we hi this is Steve hi Steve we

1411
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:47,350
have another call coming in too I'll

1412
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:48,670
have to hold on that Steve where you

1413
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:52,090
calling from Oregon hi welcome to the

1414
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:53,680
show you have a question for our guest

1415
01:05:59,580 --> 01:05:57,280
oh yeah sure I just first think it's a

1416
01:06:03,510 --> 01:05:59,590
really interesting show I do have a

1417
01:06:07,110 --> 01:06:03,520
question on how do you know you're not

1418
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:07,120
looking at the outside Shroud of a

1419
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:09,370
really advanced drone something

1420
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:10,210
skunkworks

1421
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:20,260
came up with right the main reason I

1422
01:06:27,140 --> 01:06:21,970
guess that we don't believe we were

1423
01:06:30,810 --> 01:06:27,150
looking at a drone was because the

1424
01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:30,820
acceleration that we calculated for the

1425
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:34,300
object and we did it we did acceleration

1426
01:06:39,059 --> 01:06:37,110
based on what the radar saw we did

1427
01:06:41,819 --> 01:06:39,069
acceleration based on

1428
01:06:45,749 --> 01:06:41,829
how quickly disappeared to the two

1429
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:45,759
different commanders eyes that were in

1430
01:06:53,819 --> 01:06:49,420
the aircrafts and we did it based on the

1431
01:06:58,589 --> 01:06:53,829
video that was taken the accelerations

1432
01:07:01,680 --> 01:06:58,599
were well beyond what any drone could

1433
01:07:04,410 --> 01:07:01,690
withstand so that's that's why we

1434
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,420
believe that well I just I just wonder

1435
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:06,160
about something that skunkworks had

1436
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:09,430
created that is so far advanced like you

1437
01:07:15,809 --> 01:07:13,359
know nuclear power with where it has a

1438
01:07:20,269 --> 01:07:15,819
really small footprint and it's just a

1439
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:20,279
lot of electricity and engines and I

1440
01:07:30,449 --> 01:07:24,160
just if you've watched first person

1441
01:07:32,609 --> 01:07:30,459
video racing hello hang on you call back

1442
01:07:35,759 --> 01:07:32,619
in a bit sorry about that up apologize

1443
01:07:39,089 --> 01:07:35,769
to everybody all right keep going sorry

1444
01:07:42,029 --> 01:07:39,099
sorry Steve go ahead okay so if if you

1445
01:07:44,459 --> 01:07:42,039
just picture the stuff that skunk works

1446
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:44,469
I mean they came up with the sr-71 how

1447
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:48,729
many 50 years ago 60 years ago and look

1448
01:07:53,249 --> 01:07:50,650
how that moved I'm just I'm just trying

1449
01:07:56,130 --> 01:07:53,259
to make a point yeah we are drone

1450
01:07:59,699 --> 01:07:56,140
technology can't do that but skunk works

1451
01:08:02,489 --> 01:07:59,709
I mean at the same folks that you know

1452
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:02,499
land cars on Mars are we sure that

1453
01:08:07,709 --> 01:08:06,160
that's not well the I and I understand

1454
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:07,719
what you're saying in like in the case

1455
01:08:14,130 --> 01:08:11,170
of yes our 71 that was advanced no one

1456
01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:14,140
knew about it at the time but the level

1457
01:08:21,329 --> 01:08:18,520
of advancement was not a order or

1458
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:21,339
multiple orders of magnitude beyond our

1459
01:08:26,729 --> 01:08:24,369
current capabilities if you understand

1460
01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:26,739
what I'm saying it's it's not like okay

1461
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:30,190
here here's something that's physics you

1462
01:08:36,510 --> 01:08:34,810
know at 2.0 it's basically basically an

1463
01:08:40,499 --> 01:08:36,520
extension of what we already had

1464
01:08:43,649 --> 01:08:40,509
capabilities with in this case in

1465
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:43,659
addition to the extreme acceleration the

1466
01:08:49,890 --> 01:08:47,650
speeds were so high that any object for

1467
01:08:52,930 --> 01:08:49,900
example we have hyper aircraft that can

1468
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:52,940
fly it at Mach 7 Mach 10

1469
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,050
right this was well beyond that and it

1470
01:09:02,230 --> 01:08:59,600
was at such speeds that speeds

1471
01:09:03,670 --> 01:09:02,240
comparable to what a meteorite moves to

1472
01:09:06,580 --> 01:09:03,680
the atmosphere so these things should

1473
01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:06,590
have been a ball of fire they should

1474
01:09:11,350 --> 01:09:08,900
have just incinerated in the atmosphere

1475
01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:11,360
there should have been in a sonic boom

1476
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,710
and an explosion of air that should have

1477
01:09:22,440 --> 01:09:18,560
just wiped everything out around it is

1478
01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:22,450
it move through it that kind of a speed

1479
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,120
and that's not what we saw it's almost

1480
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:28,640
like there was no interaction with the

1481
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:31,370
atmosphere there was no heating there

1482
01:09:38,290 --> 01:09:35,510
was no sonic boom that's why I mean my

1483
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:38,300
main point is I would just I just think

1484
01:09:45,370 --> 01:09:42,350
if we could just turn that data that the

1485
01:09:48,850 --> 01:09:45,380
Navy has collected over to the

1486
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:48,860
scientific community it would it would

1487
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:52,400
be it would be very interesting to see

1488
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:55,070
what we could come up with I I

1489
01:10:00,670 --> 01:09:57,050
understand your point I just don't

1490
01:10:02,730 --> 01:10:00,680
believe I think it's too far ahead for

1491
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:02,740
it to be anything we were working on

1492
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:04,850
okay all right well thank you very

1493
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:07,310
interesting show I appreciate you guys

1494
01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:09,890
thanks for the call we have we have

1495
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:12,950
someone to be time to reach us to end up

1496
01:10:19,690 --> 01:10:17,870
please turn your volume off caller mute

1497
01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:19,700
your computer color I'm gonna hang up on

1498
01:10:27,730 --> 01:10:21,070
you

1499
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:27,740
my name is Everett Cunningham I'm

1500
01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:30,290
calling from Fort Lauderdale hi there

1501
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:31,430
how are you how you doing you got a

1502
01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:35,770
question for our guest tonight yeah

1503
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:42,710
we'll go ahead okay my question is do

1504
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:44,450
you know anything about the Jedi in the

1505
01:10:52,060 --> 01:10:48,590
force well the force is higher the first

1506
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:52,070
level is higher that demons demons the

1507
01:10:57,670 --> 01:10:54,890
spirit world is fooling around with us

1508
01:11:00,460 --> 01:10:57,680
that's the best way to describe what the

1509
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:00,470
way is when inhibits it's the spirit

1510
01:11:10,460 --> 01:11:06,900
world fooling around okay all right

1511
01:11:14,590 --> 01:11:10,470
well hey thank you for the call okay

1512
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:17,180
yeah there's a you know a lot of people

1513
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:19,650
going to have when something is so

1514
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,640
unusual is this it's not unusual to have

1515
01:11:26,590 --> 01:11:25,440
you know different opinions you know

1516
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:26,600
it's hard to explain

1517
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:29,880
now one thing that I'll mention to your

1518
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:33,900
audience a Martin is the SCU is going to

1519
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:36,090
have a conference in the middle of March

1520
01:11:42,230 --> 01:11:39,000
and one of the things we'll do is we

1521
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:42,240
will be talking about this case in

1522
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,050
detail as well as several other cases

1523
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:48,960
and we will have a university professor

1524
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:54,090
a couple of guys from the Defense

1525
01:11:59,210 --> 01:11:57,210
Department who will talk wow we're in

1526
01:12:02,660 --> 01:11:59,220
it's gonna be ok this will be in

1527
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:02,670
Huntsville Alabama that's where the red

1528
01:12:10,940 --> 01:12:05,820
rocket center is there's also a NASA

1529
01:12:14,180 --> 01:12:10,950
Space Center there it's it's a neat area

1530
01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:14,190
and if anyone was interested they could

1531
01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:20,100
go to explore SCU org and they could ask

1532
01:12:25,870 --> 01:12:21,990
for information on the conference it's

1533
01:12:29,060 --> 01:12:25,880
March 15th to 17th huntsville alabama

1534
01:12:31,450 --> 01:12:29,070
what the conference is really geared

1535
01:12:35,660 --> 01:12:31,460
towards people with science backgrounds

1536
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:35,670
as well as or military backgrounds so

1537
01:12:40,370 --> 01:12:37,980
it's not really meant for the public

1538
01:12:41,930 --> 01:12:40,380
you know just it's not a general UFO

1539
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:41,940
type conference yeah

1540
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,210
but any of your late listeners who have

1541
01:12:48,710 --> 01:12:46,080
science backgrounds or key military

1542
01:12:54,710 --> 01:12:48,720
backgrounds that are interested if they

1543
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:54,720
want to contact us explore SCU org well

1544
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:57,450
you know we'll be glad to have them at

1545
01:13:01,490 --> 01:12:59,940
the conference that's great we have

1546
01:13:04,510 --> 01:13:01,500
another caller caller your first name

1547
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:04,520
and where are you calling from

1548
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:07,650
yeah my name is Chuck I'm in southern

1549
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:08,430
Arizona

1550
01:13:17,630 --> 01:13:12,270
hi Chuck thanks for the call and you

1551
01:13:20,629 --> 01:13:17,640
have a question for our guest yes with

1552
01:13:22,879 --> 01:13:20,639
all of the data the radar data and

1553
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:22,889
any other data the Navy may have

1554
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:27,080
collected in regards to the Nimitz case

1555
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:35,240
some of that information I know he said

1556
01:13:41,060 --> 01:13:38,159
it would be nice to get it into the

1557
01:13:44,050 --> 01:13:41,070
scientific community to you know try to

1558
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,060
figure it out does he have any

1559
01:13:52,669 --> 01:13:47,280
information that the Navy may have

1560
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:52,679
farmed this out to private think tanks

1561
01:13:57,979 --> 01:13:54,409
or whatever kind of similar to what

1562
01:14:00,439 --> 01:13:57,989
co-op Corso said because then once it

1563
01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:00,449
gets into the private sector section

1564
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:04,590
it's not it's no longer purview to the

1565
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:12,449
FOIA request hmm right okay so the yeah

1566
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:15,449
so to that question it's very well

1567
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:20,000
possible that the Navy has farmed it out

1568
01:14:31,820 --> 01:14:23,250
to a private organization there's no way

1569
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:31,830
we have to know that the I just believe

1570
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:36,719
that the the information is so critical

1571
01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:41,130
so unique that I think if if they made

1572
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:42,750
it available to the entire scientific

1573
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:46,400
community there might be someone who

1574
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:49,530
might have a theory of it or have an

1575
01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:52,050
angle of looking at it that wasn't

1576
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,940
available to that one private

1577
01:14:58,780 --> 01:14:55,679
organization or that maybe someone

1578
01:15:01,399 --> 01:14:58,790
didn't think of so I always believe that

1579
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:01,409
the more the better in terms of

1580
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:05,070
analyzing it now in terms of that data

1581
01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:07,800
I'm pretty sure the data exists I mean

1582
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:10,590
one you could you could surmise that if

1583
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:14,730
f-18s are sent to engage an object that

1584
01:15:22,459 --> 01:15:17,840
the information is not going to be

1585
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:22,469
thrown away or deleted but additional to

1586
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:25,679
that we've got you know three different

1587
01:15:33,729 --> 01:15:29,369
incidents of information that indicate

1588
01:15:37,660 --> 01:15:33,739
the data was taken one is when

1589
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:37,670
commander flavor made a copy of the

1590
01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:42,800
videotape put it in a locker and then

1591
01:15:49,180 --> 01:15:46,760
came back and the tape was gone hmm

1592
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:49,190
then we also have a the case with a

1593
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:50,480
senior chief

1594
01:15:57,450 --> 01:15:54,830
the next morning went to review the all

1595
01:15:59,740 --> 01:15:57,460
the audio logs which is all your audio

1596
01:16:02,830 --> 01:15:59,750
communications within ship and between

1597
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:02,840
ships that's all we recorded and that

1598
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:06,080
was that was deleted that was gone which

1599
01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:09,950
is very unusual and lastly the fire

1600
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,150
control operator who is in control of

1601
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:17,120
all that data says within 24 hours of

1602
01:16:24,670 --> 01:16:20,330
the event a helicopter lands on the USS

1603
01:16:29,380 --> 01:16:24,680
Princeton and basically two gentlemen

1604
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,390
not in uniform asked him to provide all

1605
01:16:36,729 --> 01:16:31,520
his data to them and to delete the data

1606
01:16:38,979 --> 01:16:36,739
that he has really yeah so those those

1607
01:16:41,860 --> 01:16:38,989
three incidents now yeah here's what's

1608
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:41,870
really interesting and this was found by

1609
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:45,710
a germinal named Robert Glenn he did

1610
01:16:55,090 --> 01:16:51,910
some research and this was on another

1611
01:16:57,370 --> 01:16:55,100
missile cruiser named the USS businness

1612
01:16:59,100 --> 01:16:57,380
and I don't know if any of your

1613
01:17:02,260 --> 01:16:59,110
listeners know but back in the late

1614
01:17:03,370 --> 01:17:02,270
1980s one of our missile cruisers were

1615
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:03,380
shot down

1616
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:06,340
an Iranian commercial airliner

1617
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:13,370
accidentally in the late 80s in that

1618
01:17:21,370 --> 01:17:18,800
incident within 24 hours a Navy

1619
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,380
helicopter or someone's helicopter lands

1620
01:17:24,610 --> 01:17:23,840
and removes all the data from the USS

1621
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:24,620
vicinity

1622
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:27,320
and of course that data was later you

1623
01:17:32,020 --> 01:17:29,270
know analyzed by Congress because there

1624
01:17:33,700 --> 01:17:32,030
was a huge investigation but it does

1625
01:17:37,420 --> 01:17:33,710
establish that when something very

1626
01:17:41,919 --> 01:17:37,430
unusual happens they can come and

1627
01:17:45,959 --> 01:17:41,929
confiscate you know the information

1628
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:45,969
all right truck any other question it's

1629
01:17:52,990 --> 01:17:49,130
well just not so much a question but a

1630
01:17:56,050 --> 01:17:53,000
comment that I thought this nimitz case

1631
01:18:00,669 --> 01:17:56,060
and which seems like we've got most of

1632
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:00,679
the information on that and you know the

1633
01:18:07,450 --> 01:18:03,850
fact that they were seeing it on radar

1634
01:18:10,810 --> 01:18:07,460
several days I remember commander or

1635
01:18:16,290 --> 01:18:10,820
chief day saying that they were watching

1636
01:18:18,669 --> 01:18:16,300
these objects for several days and

1637
01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:18,679
commander favor and the other Navy

1638
01:18:23,169 --> 01:18:21,260
pilots were vectored over there because

1639
01:18:23,950 --> 01:18:23,179
they wanted me to get basically some

1640
01:18:25,570 --> 01:18:23,960
eyeballs

1641
01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:25,580
you know they had it on radar but they

1642
01:18:30,459 --> 01:18:27,800
wanted to get some eyeballs on it to see

1643
01:18:33,370 --> 01:18:30,469
it and their descriptions of the flight

1644
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:33,380
behavior and no commander freighter said

1645
01:18:40,620 --> 01:18:38,690
you know has said that he saw no typical

1646
01:18:43,419 --> 01:18:40,630
propulsion

1647
01:18:47,070 --> 01:18:43,429
propellers jet engines rockets nothing

1648
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:47,080
and but yet this thing was moving around

1649
01:18:57,340 --> 01:18:53,449
and that kind of technology is I think

1650
01:18:59,500 --> 01:18:57,350
it's light-years beyond anything that we

1651
01:19:06,729 --> 01:18:59,510
have or even like the skunk works and

1652
01:19:09,570 --> 01:19:06,739
like your guest mentioned the speeds and

1653
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:09,580
everything else just pretty much apply

1654
01:19:16,510 --> 01:19:14,510
aeronautical physics and at least that

1655
01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:16,520
were worlds and I just don't think we've

1656
01:19:24,939 --> 01:19:22,150
got that kind of technology so it's be

1657
01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:24,949
interesting that you know it might

1658
01:19:29,380 --> 01:19:26,870
eventually come out what these things

1659
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:29,390
are but extremely fascinating and my

1660
01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:32,690
opinion is there I think commander favor

1661
01:19:40,090 --> 01:19:35,750
even said that he believed that it was

1662
01:19:42,939 --> 01:19:40,100
something not of this earth and is still

1663
01:19:45,130 --> 01:19:42,949
kind of comical comment about it you're

1664
01:19:47,709 --> 01:19:45,140
like the fly one sometime boy and I

1665
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:47,719
appreciate your your time all right hey

1666
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,710
thanks for the call you bet

1667
01:19:54,780 --> 01:19:53,600
all right we have another caller on the

1668
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:54,790
line

1669
01:20:01,020 --> 01:19:56,410
color were your first name and where you

1670
01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:01,030
calling from my name is Richard I'm

1671
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:03,460
calling from San Diego Oh San Diego

1672
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:04,930
Richard welcome to the show you have a

1673
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:06,250
question for our guest we have another

1674
01:20:09,780 --> 01:20:07,750
call coming in a lot of calls coming in

1675
01:20:11,370 --> 01:20:09,790
we can only take one call at a time to

1676
01:20:14,730 --> 01:20:11,380
let you know out there all right go

1677
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:14,740
ahead I was just I was just curious what

1678
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:18,490
the opinion of you guys is as to why the

1679
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:21,280
fighter weapons school it taught in the

1680
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:24,430
Air Force when a red flag don't take any

1681
01:20:30,150 --> 01:20:26,760
interest in this from the standpoint of

1682
01:20:32,370 --> 01:20:30,160
if they were created to make sure that

1683
01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:32,380
our fighter pilots aren't outmaneuvered

1684
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:36,280
in the sky why is it that from the time

1685
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:38,500
that flavor trapped after that incident

1686
01:20:45,570 --> 01:20:43,390
not one senior officer above his rank

1687
01:20:53,130 --> 01:20:45,580
ever come forward and asked him to talk

1688
01:20:57,150 --> 01:20:53,140
about to them interesting yeah that that

1689
01:21:01,050 --> 01:20:57,160
that's a good question and personally I

1690
01:21:04,260 --> 01:21:01,060
think it goes back to a term that guy by

1691
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:04,270
the name of Billy Cox coined that I like

1692
01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:06,850
it's called the great taboo and that's

1693
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:09,640
that just our society within our society

1694
01:21:16,710 --> 01:21:12,490
when this phenomenon began in the late

1695
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:16,720
1940s it was considered seriously but

1696
01:21:25,380 --> 01:21:21,250
then once it reached a point where media

1697
01:21:28,350 --> 01:21:25,390
turned it into kind of a UH a joke right

1698
01:21:30,530 --> 01:21:28,360
little green men and little aliens

1699
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:30,540
running around

1700
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:33,910
it's almost ignored I mean I've I've had

1701
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:36,610
a navy guy talked to me about cases

1702
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:40,860
where they had they went to all quarters

1703
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:44,170
on an incident with a flying disc and

1704
01:21:50,130 --> 01:21:46,960
then he asked the captain should I log

1705
01:21:53,580 --> 01:21:50,140
this and the captain's responses no I

1706
01:21:55,290 --> 01:21:53,590
want to make Admiral someday and I'm not

1707
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:55,300
trying to say the military would say

1708
01:22:00,030 --> 01:21:57,370
you're not supposed to talk about it

1709
01:22:02,850 --> 01:22:00,040
it's not that at all it it's just like

1710
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:02,860
in civilian life if you go talk to your

1711
01:22:07,890 --> 01:22:07,600
friend in public not over coffee but you

1712
01:22:10,530 --> 01:22:07,900
stay

1713
01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:10,540
and you start to talk about UFOs you're

1714
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:14,620
going to there's this taboo of oh this

1715
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:17,890
is a crazy subject to talk about and I

1716
01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:21,760
think that same mindset exists in all

1717
01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:23,710
people whether they're in the military

1718
01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:26,590
or civilian life and so just like you

1719
01:22:31,170 --> 01:22:28,870
may have a senior officer and you may

1720
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:31,180
have a another officer that thinks okay

1721
01:22:35,970 --> 01:22:33,370
we should check into this but as soon as

1722
01:22:38,610 --> 01:22:35,980
he bounces it off the first guy it's

1723
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:38,620
like why are you talking about this

1724
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:40,690
let's just forget it and get on with our

1725
01:22:45,690 --> 01:22:41,290
work

1726
01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:45,700
I mean commander framer kind of points

1727
01:22:50,940 --> 01:22:47,830
that out when he says after this have

1728
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:50,950
been occurred he kind of put it to the

1729
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:52,690
back of his mind for a long time because

1730
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,030
they were getting ready to be deployed

1731
01:23:00,270 --> 01:22:57,040
to the Middle East and he had other

1732
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:00,280
issues you know to worry about this was

1733
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:03,520
not something he could control so off

1734
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:07,090
against so I guess my point kind of is

1735
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:10,450
the fact that if the military and their

1736
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,360
elite pilots whose responsibility it is

1737
01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:15,040
to make sure our pilots aren't being

1738
01:23:19,710 --> 01:23:17,560
outmaneuvered aren't going to be

1739
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:19,720
concerned to these vehicles to have air

1740
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:21,970
supremacy over our planet without even

1741
01:23:30,090 --> 01:23:25,950
trying why doesn't the ufology community

1742
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:30,100
try and escalate issue publicly because

1743
01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:32,110
I mean look how ridiculous we're going

1744
01:23:35,940 --> 01:23:34,600
to look someday if vehicles have air

1745
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:35,950
supremacy over our planet and our

1746
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:37,450
military wouldn't do anything about it

1747
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:39,850
and the people just sit there and ignore

1748
01:23:46,940 --> 01:23:43,210
or - I mean extraterrestrials won't even

1749
01:23:49,410 --> 01:23:46,950
have to try we will literally hand it -

1750
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:49,420
yeah that's I mean that's that's an

1751
01:23:54,540 --> 01:23:52,090
interesting topic that I could talk

1752
01:23:59,100 --> 01:23:54,550
about for almost an hour

1753
01:24:01,130 --> 01:23:59,110
I I think the technology is the other

1754
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:01,140
caller mentioned is so far ahead of us

1755
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,340
that there's really nothing that that we

1756
01:24:14,220 --> 01:24:08,560
could do to try to maintain air

1757
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:14,230
superiority if if this you know if if

1758
01:24:20,430 --> 01:24:17,650
another intelligent species came to our

1759
01:24:21,419 --> 01:24:20,440
planet you know whether this is the

1760
01:24:24,959 --> 01:24:21,429
incident or it's

1761
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:24,969
other incident any intelligence capable

1762
01:24:30,959 --> 01:24:27,369
of getting here is going to be orders of

1763
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:30,969
magnitude more advanced than us and the

1764
01:24:37,729 --> 01:24:33,010
only thing we can do is just hope that

1765
01:24:42,359 --> 01:24:37,739
they are you know friendly and not

1766
01:24:44,850 --> 01:24:42,369
unfriendly I really don't think there's

1767
01:24:48,689 --> 01:24:44,860
anything we could do even if that was

1768
01:24:50,129 --> 01:24:48,699
you know even if we wanted to yeah

1769
01:24:52,589 --> 01:24:50,139
thanks for the call

1770
01:24:54,959 --> 01:24:52,599
a lot of good questions I did it yeah

1771
01:24:57,149 --> 01:24:54,969
great so we have a lot of people trying

1772
01:24:59,549 --> 01:24:57,159
to call in and which is good but I just

1773
01:25:00,779 --> 01:24:59,559
I just want to tell the caller people

1774
01:25:02,370 --> 01:25:00,789
that are interested in calling in a

1775
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:02,380
couple things first of all make sure

1776
01:25:08,699 --> 01:25:06,510
that your the show is muted if you are

1777
01:25:10,859 --> 01:25:08,709
watching on your computer or whatever

1778
01:25:12,209 --> 01:25:10,869
and you're using your phone just make

1779
01:25:14,850 --> 01:25:12,219
sure you away from the sound so it

1780
01:25:18,419 --> 01:25:14,860
doesn't feedback I can only take one

1781
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:18,429
call at a time so you can keep trying to

1782
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,110
call in if you'd like and I'll add you

1783
01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:21,760
to the call when I can we have a new

1784
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,780
caller on now

1785
01:25:28,589 --> 01:25:24,400
what's your first name and where you're

1786
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:28,599
calling from my name is Andy and I'm a

1787
01:25:32,489 --> 01:25:31,030
southern Missouri hi Andy thank you for

1788
01:25:33,919 --> 01:25:32,499
calling you have a question for our

1789
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:33,929
guests

1790
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:39,130
yes at the point that kind of the scout

1791
01:25:44,549 --> 01:25:41,130
I'm coming of the scout I don't know

1792
01:25:45,149 --> 01:25:44,559
what it was but it's a clinic when it

1793
01:25:47,790 --> 01:25:45,159
left

1794
01:25:50,359 --> 01:25:47,800
Fraser's uh point of view kind of when

1795
01:25:52,529 --> 01:25:50,369
he says it it took off straight across

1796
01:25:55,589 --> 01:25:52,539
obviously they were you know they seen

1797
01:25:59,429 --> 01:25:55,599
the spot in the water do you guys think

1798
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,439
that was a UFO in the water and if so do

1799
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:01,360
you think that we're going to get more

1800
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:04,719
information on that because I can't see

1801
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:06,489
them just leaving that spot in the water

1802
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:09,610
if they had no hopes of chasing that

1803
01:26:15,390 --> 01:26:13,150
Scout thing you know what I mean yeah I

1804
01:26:18,899 --> 01:26:15,400
understand I understand your question

1805
01:26:21,839 --> 01:26:18,909
Andy we have so little information on

1806
01:26:24,569 --> 01:26:21,849
what the object was in the water that

1807
01:26:28,739 --> 01:26:24,579
there's you know there's not much I

1808
01:26:32,189 --> 01:26:28,749
could do even speculating on that so you

1809
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,199
think we might get information or videos

1810
01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:34,960
of that later

1811
01:26:39,870 --> 01:26:37,480
I mean I get that kind of harder right I

1812
01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:39,880
mean I I don't think so I don't even

1813
01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:41,950
know that the Navy has any additional

1814
01:26:47,130 --> 01:26:44,620
information on the object and the water

1815
01:26:50,330 --> 01:26:47,140
beyond what the pilot saw didn't that

1816
01:26:56,150 --> 01:26:50,340
disappear after he went circled around -

1817
01:26:59,880 --> 01:26:56,160
yes after after the tic-tac took off

1818
01:27:01,740 --> 01:26:59,890
both pilots they went back to where the

1819
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:01,750
object was in water to see if it was

1820
01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:04,590
still there and the water was you know

1821
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:07,750
fine again so the object whatever was in

1822
01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:11,110
the block in the water was gone so yeah

1823
01:27:17,580 --> 01:27:14,020
there's nothing else they could do then

1824
01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:17,590
so they headed back to the Nimitz oh I

1825
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:19,960
did not know that thank you anything

1826
01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:23,530
else handy yeah all right okay thank you

1827
01:27:28,380 --> 01:27:26,500
thank you all right so as I said before

1828
01:27:30,150 --> 01:27:28,390
the line was ringing off the hook

1829
01:27:31,950 --> 01:27:30,160
um I know there's a lot of people trying

1830
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:31,960
to get in if anything it's open now for

1831
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:34,750
anyone would like to would like to try I

1832
01:27:42,210 --> 01:27:38,890
don't know if you are you want to head

1833
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:42,220
on to other topics it seems like we

1834
01:27:46,590 --> 01:27:43,810
could talk about this certainly for the

1835
01:27:48,780 --> 01:27:46,600
whole entire show just because it's so

1836
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:48,790
interesting one thing that I was

1837
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:52,330
thinking of though is that it it almost

1838
01:27:58,890 --> 01:27:56,530
stands to reason with such an incredible

1839
01:28:01,770 --> 01:27:58,900
sighting with such credible witnesses

1840
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:01,780
that they would have taken more interest

1841
01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:04,450
in you know keep trying to rendezvous

1842
01:28:09,150 --> 01:28:06,040
with when they would see these things

1843
01:28:10,590 --> 01:28:09,160
showing up on on radar and try to get

1844
01:28:13,380 --> 01:28:10,600
more information on what's the heck they

1845
01:28:16,140 --> 01:28:13,390
were good you know that's the same thing

1846
01:28:19,020 --> 01:28:16,150
I would think Martin and of course I

1847
01:28:21,690 --> 01:28:19,030
don't know truly because I'm not pretty

1848
01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:21,700
- what all the Navy or the military has

1849
01:28:27,570 --> 01:28:24,580
done or has not done but the only thing

1850
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:27,580
I can say is that we do know right there

1851
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:29,670
was a similar incident that happened in

1852
01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:32,560
2015 it looks like you've got another

1853
01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:35,340
call or you can call and stop in you

1854
01:28:42,780 --> 01:28:42,040
know okay so yes caller your first name

1855
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:42,790
where you coming from

1856
01:28:48,919 --> 01:28:47,050
oh my name is Quinton and I'm calling

1857
01:28:51,799 --> 01:28:48,929
from Hampton Virginia

1858
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:51,809
hi Quentin we also fight other color I

1859
01:28:55,609 --> 01:28:54,239
just joined as well I will be back

1860
01:28:59,959 --> 01:28:55,619
Quentin what's your question for our

1861
01:29:02,359 --> 01:28:59,969
guest tonight Oh short time I just

1862
01:29:05,029 --> 01:29:02,369
thought looking at this podcast probably

1863
01:29:07,580 --> 01:29:05,039
the last now I'm not sure what I was

1864
01:29:10,129 --> 01:29:07,590
seeing ha mr. Powell but I think I just

1865
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:10,139
wanted to get it and take on three quick

1866
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:11,610
questions because they don't think on

1867
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:13,770
the answer oh uh what do you think of

1868
01:29:22,220 --> 01:29:18,690
Bob Lazar oh you know he can name three

1869
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:22,230
interesting cases that he he you know

1870
01:29:28,370 --> 01:29:24,690
investigated Horner or he know about and

1871
01:29:30,140 --> 01:29:28,380
see how they have all you know what he

1872
01:29:33,770 --> 01:29:30,150
thinks of the UH three of his best cases

1873
01:29:35,540 --> 01:29:33,780
and you know our tribals won't render

1874
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:35,550
some force and better than Bonnie here

1875
01:29:39,799 --> 01:29:37,409
if you could just touch O'Neill that's

1876
01:29:42,410 --> 01:29:39,809
quite a bit to cover and we have someone

1877
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:42,420
else I went to why don't you take one of

1878
01:29:49,729 --> 01:29:45,780
those you want to throw what do you

1879
01:29:52,010 --> 01:29:49,739
think of what he think of all bob lazar

1880
01:29:53,870 --> 01:29:52,020
and if he can touch going to bed and

1881
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,880
Bonnie you face all that all right

1882
01:29:57,049 --> 01:29:55,440
sounds good thanks for the call and just

1883
01:30:04,970 --> 01:29:57,059
you can just listen right off the air if

1884
01:30:08,299 --> 01:30:04,980
you would okay okay only I'll answer

1885
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:08,309
those quickly Martin bob lazar he has

1886
01:30:16,069 --> 01:30:11,010
never said anything that piqued my

1887
01:30:19,010 --> 01:30:16,079
interest is my comment there in in terms

1888
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:19,020
of three interesting cases I would say

1889
01:30:26,959 --> 01:30:22,020
I'll get forward the Stephenville case

1890
01:30:31,450 --> 01:30:26,969
of the year 2008 are we okay 2013 the

1891
01:30:38,959 --> 01:30:31,460
current Nimitz case and then the in 1957

1892
01:30:41,359 --> 01:30:38,969
the are b-47 case as as far as Betty and

1893
01:30:47,020 --> 01:30:41,369
Barney Hill I mean that was the first

1894
01:30:49,850 --> 01:30:47,030
famous case that involved abductions and

1895
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:49,860
my backgrounds got a hard science I'm

1896
01:30:56,779 --> 01:30:52,650
not a psychologist or a sociologist so I

1897
01:31:00,319 --> 01:30:56,789
I just I may have my own personal

1898
01:31:01,569 --> 01:31:00,329
theories on that topic but I've got

1899
01:31:05,799 --> 01:31:01,579
plenty to do on

1900
01:31:09,339 --> 01:31:05,809
the other parts of the UFO phenomenon so

1901
01:31:14,739 --> 01:31:09,349
I avoid the abduction subject okay I

1902
01:31:16,270 --> 01:31:14,749
know you did it you know all later or so

1903
01:31:17,709 --> 01:31:16,280
I said earlier when the phenomena

1904
01:31:19,419 --> 01:31:17,719
started and you just look back at the

1905
01:31:21,549 --> 01:31:19,429
history of that and you know you and

1906
01:31:23,290 --> 01:31:21,559
because that's more or less what I'm you

1907
01:31:26,409 --> 01:31:23,300
know there are some of the cases like

1908
01:31:27,759 --> 01:31:26,419
that that I'm really interested in but

1909
01:31:31,089 --> 01:31:27,769
look I appreciate I appreciate you

1910
01:31:33,699 --> 01:31:31,099
answered my call yes you're welcome love

1911
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:33,709
it thank you oh thank you have a nice

1912
01:31:39,989 --> 01:31:34,129
evening

1913
01:31:42,459 --> 01:31:39,999
all right I tried to catch a call from

1914
01:31:45,879 --> 01:31:42,469
from someone very interesting I'd like

1915
01:31:49,449 --> 01:31:45,889
for them to call back and maybe I will

1916
01:31:51,699 --> 01:31:49,459
try to call them I don't know if I can

1917
01:31:53,319 --> 01:31:51,709
do that easily here well you're trying

1918
01:31:55,179 --> 01:31:53,329
that Martin I could answer the question

1919
01:31:58,689 --> 01:31:55,189
you'd brought up right before Quentin

1920
01:32:01,329 --> 01:31:58,699
came on and and that was you know why

1921
01:32:03,699 --> 01:32:01,339
wouldn't the military get very

1922
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:03,709
interested in all of this and I was

1923
01:32:07,719 --> 01:32:06,050
saying there was a a similar case that

1924
01:32:12,569 --> 01:32:07,729
happened in the Year 2015

1925
01:32:18,599 --> 01:32:12,579
right it's called the gimbal case yes

1926
01:32:22,929 --> 01:32:18,609
and and basically same thing happened

1927
01:32:29,169 --> 01:32:26,709
same same thing happened and as far as I

1928
01:32:31,810 --> 01:32:29,179
can tell we were no more prepared for

1929
01:32:34,329 --> 01:32:31,820
that incident as we were the first

1930
01:32:37,149 --> 01:32:34,339
incident Wow

1931
01:32:40,689 --> 01:32:37,159
so there's no no lessons learned so to

1932
01:32:44,319 --> 01:32:40,699
speak not that I'm aware of that doesn't

1933
01:32:46,270 --> 01:32:44,329
mean that you know maybe I mean I would

1934
01:32:48,909 --> 01:32:46,280
hope that there have been some lessons

1935
01:32:52,929 --> 01:32:48,919
learned but I you know if they are

1936
01:32:58,479 --> 01:32:52,939
they're not visible you know to anyone

1937
01:33:01,779 --> 01:32:58,489
in the public that it just seems that it

1938
01:33:03,939 --> 01:33:01,789
seems up I would say irresponsible this

1939
01:33:07,329 --> 01:33:03,949
is the best way I could put that you

1940
01:33:08,679 --> 01:33:07,339
know it just doesn't seem you know when

1941
01:33:09,939 --> 01:33:08,689
something like that happens you just

1942
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:09,949
think that that it would be such a

1943
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:14,449
lesson learned you know well I mean it

1944
01:33:18,430 --> 01:33:15,650
really goes back to

1945
01:33:20,740 --> 01:33:18,440
to 1970 when the Air Force decided to

1946
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:20,750
get out of the investigation of UFOs at

1947
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:23,450
least publicly and their basic argument

1948
01:33:29,380 --> 01:33:26,570
was we have no evidence these pose a

1949
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:29,390
risk to national security number one and

1950
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:33,890
number two you know there was no

1951
01:33:37,810 --> 01:33:35,570
evidence that they could you know what

1952
01:33:40,650 --> 01:33:37,820
no hard evidence evidence if they could

1953
01:33:44,140 --> 01:33:40,660
establish the phenomenon was real right

1954
01:33:48,430 --> 01:33:44,150
mmm okay and so that so they dropped out

1955
01:33:50,620 --> 01:33:48,440
of the least the public investigation of

1956
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:50,630
the UFOs although we know they continued

1957
01:33:57,100 --> 01:33:53,450
investigating yeah yeah that's right

1958
01:33:59,770 --> 01:33:57,110
it makes me wonder to what's you know

1959
01:34:02,320 --> 01:33:59,780
are they investigating now you know it's

1960
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:02,330
pretty interesting you know my view is

1961
01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:05,120
pretty much they've got so many of their

1962
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:07,070
own problems right problems with Russia

1963
01:34:11,170 --> 01:34:09,290
problems with China problems with

1964
01:34:13,770 --> 01:34:11,180
getting you know their next defense

1965
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:13,780
budget in all these kind of things that

1966
01:34:20,740 --> 01:34:16,330
they don't they don't want a problem

1967
01:34:23,020 --> 01:34:20,750
that they can't solve all right so why

1968
01:34:24,930 --> 01:34:23,030
deal with this especially if they don't

1969
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:24,940
believe it's a national security

1970
01:34:31,660 --> 01:34:29,360
incident issue but my view is if you've

1971
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:31,670
got two of these cases that have

1972
01:34:36,850 --> 01:34:34,880
happened right one in 2004 one and 2015

1973
01:34:40,350 --> 01:34:36,860
Anders I would bet there have been

1974
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:40,360
others that we're not aware of exactly

1975
01:34:48,970 --> 01:34:43,970
you have to wonder I mean what if that's

1976
01:34:51,670 --> 01:34:48,980
just a a man as that of probing your

1977
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:51,680
capabilities and that's always a

1978
01:34:58,150 --> 01:34:54,530
possibility mm-hmm that you have to you

1979
01:34:59,770 --> 01:34:58,160
know take into account right right okay

1980
01:35:02,410 --> 01:34:59,780
I'm just trying to add this call nothing

1981
01:35:08,430 --> 01:35:02,420
seems to be happening all right well

1982
01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:11,320
we mentioned earlier in the very first

1983
01:35:15,210 --> 01:35:13,190
part of the show that you are you've

1984
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:15,220
looked a little bit into the topic of

1985
01:35:23,020 --> 01:35:20,960
triangle UFOs is is that right and what

1986
01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:23,030
are your thoughts on on a lot of people

1987
01:35:27,940 --> 01:35:25,310
say they're military you know secret

1988
01:35:29,050 --> 01:35:27,950
military right here the most I think so

1989
01:35:32,860 --> 01:35:29,060
I've kind

1990
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:32,870
started a little if I don't look you can

1991
01:35:39,150 --> 01:35:34,490
say you have a blog when it's on

1992
01:35:41,980 --> 01:35:39,160
Facebook but the seu has a facebook site

1993
01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:41,990
that's open to the public anyone can go

1994
01:35:50,170 --> 01:35:46,870
to it basically if they google the seu

1995
01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:50,180
our scientific Coalition for youth ology

1996
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:53,260
mm-hmm they can find the Facebook site

1997
01:36:01,390 --> 01:35:57,050
so the recent triangles are interesting

1998
01:36:03,610 --> 01:36:01,400
to me is the UFO phenomenon began in the

1999
01:36:06,910 --> 01:36:03,620
late 40s right right and it was always

2000
01:36:09,670 --> 01:36:06,920
the flying saucer or the disc right and

2001
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:09,680
then and no one really talked about

2002
01:36:15,340 --> 01:36:12,170
triangles much there were a few reports

2003
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:15,350
of triangles that happened in the 1950s

2004
01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:18,170
not many just a few and a few earlier

2005
01:36:20,830 --> 01:36:18,980
actually too

2006
01:36:25,330 --> 01:36:20,840
yeah yeah and there may have been you

2007
01:36:27,700 --> 01:36:25,340
know a few even earlier but Robert tooth

2008
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:27,710
I'm sorry to body but the call I was

2009
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:31,040
hoping to get as in now and no Gandharan

2010
01:36:34,770 --> 01:36:32,930
if we can pick up triangles right where

2011
01:36:39,250 --> 01:36:34,780
you left off sure we're talking about

2012
01:36:43,180 --> 01:36:39,260
1950s and prior and then so welcome to

2013
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:43,190
the show caller oh hello hello

2014
01:36:49,330 --> 01:36:46,880
we got race Stanford on the line yes how

2015
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:49,340
you doing ray good to talk to you pretty

2016
01:36:53,380 --> 01:36:51,920
good hey Robert I really enjoying your

2017
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:53,390
interview tonight and all the

2018
01:36:56,350 --> 01:36:54,410
information you're sharing with us

2019
01:36:58,720 --> 01:36:56,360
appreciate your spirit and objectivity

2020
01:37:01,420 --> 01:36:58,730
about this I just wanted to share with

2021
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:01,430
you briefly here something that happened

2022
01:37:05,260 --> 01:37:02,690
that I think will have some meaning

2023
01:37:08,260 --> 01:37:05,270
relationship to the carrier cases you've

2024
01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:08,270
been talking about back in nineteen in

2025
01:37:13,090 --> 01:37:10,820
the late sixties in 1967-68

2026
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:13,100
I was living in Corpus Christi Texas and

2027
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:16,730
I encountered a newsman the name of

2028
01:37:22,660 --> 01:37:19,130
Charlie Schleifer he was with I believe

2029
01:37:25,660 --> 01:37:22,670
radio station ke-eys in Corpus Christi

2030
01:37:28,150 --> 01:37:25,670
and there had been an invitation from

2031
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:28,160
the US Navy for people in the media that

2032
01:37:34,990 --> 01:37:31,280
might like to tour the carrier out in

2033
01:37:36,730 --> 01:37:35,000
the Gulf of Mexico the Lexington to meet

2034
01:37:38,980 --> 01:37:36,740
at na s Corpus Christi and they would be

2035
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:38,990
taken flown out there and could tour the

2036
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:42,770
the the ship so Charlie

2037
01:37:47,890 --> 01:37:45,370
showed up earlier than anybody else and

2038
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:47,900
they said we'll go ahead and fly you out

2039
01:37:53,260 --> 01:37:50,090
there so he was flown out to the carrier

2040
01:37:59,260 --> 01:37:56,770
the captain came out on the deck and

2041
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:59,270
they were talking and nobody else was

2042
01:38:05,020 --> 01:38:01,520
around the media were not around it was

2043
01:38:08,230 --> 01:38:05,030
just Charlie and and then the captain

2044
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:08,240
and Charlie said look yeah yes I'm with

2045
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:09,890
the media but I'd like to ask you

2046
01:38:14,650 --> 01:38:12,110
something just privately it's not going

2047
01:38:17,020 --> 01:38:14,660
on the air but my radio station this is

2048
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:17,030
purely out of my personal interest he

2049
01:38:21,790 --> 01:38:19,280
said sir you you're in contact with all

2050
01:38:22,180 --> 01:38:21,800
these aircraft that fly onto and off of

2051
01:38:24,730 --> 01:38:22,190
here

2052
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:24,740
and I said I'm wondering about something

2053
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:26,450
else that sometimes report in the air

2054
01:38:33,010 --> 01:38:30,110
that is UFOs he said I just can you tell

2055
01:38:34,450 --> 01:38:33,020
me confidentially what do you think

2056
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:34,460
these things might be do you know

2057
01:38:39,190 --> 01:38:36,560
anything you can tell me about them do

2058
01:38:41,650 --> 01:38:39,200
you have an opinion and he said well let

2059
01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:41,660
me tell you this and and surely in

2060
01:38:48,340 --> 01:38:45,590
confidence said last week I was down

2061
01:38:51,370 --> 01:38:48,350
under the deck and I began to be

2062
01:38:52,810 --> 01:38:51,380
notified rather frantically that they

2063
01:38:54,930 --> 01:38:52,820
were quite excited about something that

2064
01:38:58,960 --> 01:38:54,940
had been seen from out on the deck and

2065
01:39:01,150 --> 01:38:58,970
he said what I was told was that they

2066
01:39:03,580 --> 01:39:01,160
had seen six strange objects at

2067
01:39:05,950 --> 01:39:03,590
incredible speed come across the sky and

2068
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:05,960
then dive almost straight down into the

2069
01:39:12,460 --> 01:39:10,400
Gulf of Mexico water and he said so of

2070
01:39:14,710 --> 01:39:12,470
course I got out on the deck as quickly

2071
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:14,720
as I could and we're standing out there

2072
01:39:17,530 --> 01:39:16,370
talking about and everybody's chattering

2073
01:39:20,590 --> 01:39:17,540
about what they saw

2074
01:39:23,650 --> 01:39:20,600
and he said lo and behold out of the

2075
01:39:26,350 --> 01:39:23,660
water well I was standing there six

2076
01:39:29,310 --> 01:39:26,360
objects came out of the water at high

2077
01:39:32,860 --> 01:39:29,320
speed and shot into the sky at

2078
01:39:36,430 --> 01:39:32,870
unbelievable speed and he said so mr.

2079
01:39:38,380 --> 01:39:36,440
sniper I'm not going to tell you what I

2080
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:38,390
think about these things I'll let you

2081
01:39:42,220 --> 01:39:41,450
make up your own mind in the context of

2082
01:39:44,110 --> 01:39:42,230
what I told you

2083
01:39:48,370 --> 01:39:44,120
so anyway I thought you might enjoy that

2084
01:39:50,050 --> 01:39:48,380
one Robert thanks thanks ray it's always

2085
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,060
it's always a pleasure talking to you

2086
01:39:54,340 --> 01:39:52,400
and hearing some of the experience

2087
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:54,350
you've had over the several decades

2088
01:39:58,040 --> 01:39:55,920
you've researched this topic

2089
01:40:03,080 --> 01:39:58,050
that's a two-button my pleasure yeah

2090
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:03,090
uh-huh I said that I'm you got both you

2091
01:40:12,860 --> 01:40:09,920
get both the craft and the that's us oh

2092
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:12,870
yes it is not a want to take you more

2093
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,890
time because I know there are other

2094
01:40:18,020 --> 01:40:15,360
people who want to come and I just

2095
01:40:19,190 --> 01:40:18,030
wanted to relay that to you and I thanks

2096
01:40:21,290 --> 01:40:19,200
for that the pleasure and the

2097
01:40:23,540 --> 01:40:21,300
opportunity to do so have a good night

2098
01:40:27,890 --> 01:40:23,550
this is the calm ring talk to you talk

2099
01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:27,900
to you soon always like ray calling in

2100
01:40:33,380 --> 01:40:31,470
it's great so we were talking you were

2101
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:33,390
talking about the triangles saying that

2102
01:40:37,460 --> 01:40:35,600
you know starting back in the 1950s and

2103
01:40:39,620 --> 01:40:37,470
you know a lot of people were talking

2104
01:40:40,850 --> 01:40:39,630
first the discs and I've always wondered

2105
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:40,860
you know it's almost like they come out

2106
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:42,930
with a new model the triangle right

2107
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:46,080
exactly yeah well but the thing is okay

2108
01:40:52,430 --> 01:40:49,250
let's say you make the assumption that

2109
01:40:54,740 --> 01:40:52,440
the phenomenon is totally in people's

2110
01:40:58,010 --> 01:40:54,750
imagination right that it's that it's

2111
01:41:00,080 --> 01:40:58,020
not real okay so if that's the case and

2112
01:41:04,700 --> 01:41:00,090
you know you have all these reports of

2113
01:41:08,330 --> 01:41:04,710
flying discs in flying saucers

2114
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:08,340
what causes suddenly people to see

2115
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:11,610
triangles right I mean if it's totally

2116
01:41:17,900 --> 01:41:15,210
your imagination you should be saying a

2117
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:17,910
disc just like the last guy said so

2118
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:20,610
something must have to cause triangles

2119
01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:23,370
to show up right and like you mentioned

2120
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:25,710
Martin I mean there's some way back in

2121
01:41:33,140 --> 01:41:28,080
history where it was a triangular object

2122
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:33,150
but if you just look at you know looking

2123
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:35,490
for a significant percentage of reports

2124
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:37,530
that are triangles you know like one

2125
01:41:41,480 --> 01:41:39,690
percent of your reports or more that

2126
01:41:45,980 --> 01:41:41,490
doesn't happen until you get into the

2127
01:41:48,980 --> 01:41:45,990
1970s so one of the arguments course is

2128
01:41:51,530 --> 01:41:48,990
that oh well that must be you know the

2129
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:51,540
b-2 bomber under development right or

2130
01:41:58,610 --> 01:41:55,530
the the what what's the other one the

2131
01:42:02,900 --> 01:41:58,620
f-117 which was a fighter triangular

2132
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:02,910
combat aircraft but so what we've done

2133
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:05,450
is like I've looked at the just the raw

2134
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:09,250
data right the reports that come in

2135
01:42:14,820 --> 01:42:11,650
the information that we have on those

2136
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:14,830
aircraft so in the case for example the

2137
01:42:20,670 --> 01:42:18,490
the b-2 bomber it was developed in first

2138
01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:20,680
flown at Whiteman Air Force bases where

2139
01:42:25,770 --> 01:42:22,450
it first was which is in Missouri in

2140
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:25,780
their military operating area there is a

2141
01:42:30,900 --> 01:42:27,760
large one but it's in the Missouri

2142
01:42:34,650 --> 01:42:30,910
Kansas Arkansas area so if they're going

2143
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:34,660
to fly the b2 before you know people

2144
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:37,090
officially quote know about it that's

2145
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:39,850
where they're gonna fly it they're not

2146
01:42:47,670 --> 01:42:42,850
going to fly it in civilian areas same

2147
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:47,680
thing for the f-117 so what I looked at

2148
01:42:52,890 --> 01:42:50,080
is during the 70s you know the late

2149
01:42:55,740 --> 01:42:52,900
seventies early eighties because these

2150
01:42:58,830 --> 01:42:55,750
products these aircraft were released in

2151
01:43:03,930 --> 01:42:58,840
the early eighties and developed in the

2152
01:43:07,950 --> 01:43:03,940
late mid to late 70s well do we have

2153
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,960
more UFO reports in the military

2154
01:43:11,550 --> 01:43:10,000
operating area of the b2 that's what you

2155
01:43:14,010 --> 01:43:11,560
would expect right that's where you

2156
01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:14,020
would expect that's where the bulk of

2157
01:43:17,150 --> 01:43:16,300
your reports come from well when you

2158
01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:17,160
look at it

2159
01:43:24,570 --> 01:43:21,070
that's not the case at all I looked at

2160
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:24,580
the numbers and there's more reports in

2161
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:27,010
the Connecticut New Hampshire Maine

2162
01:43:34,380 --> 01:43:30,250
Vermont area which has like half the

2163
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,390
population and probably a quarter the

2164
01:43:38,970 --> 01:43:36,400
geographic area there's many more

2165
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:38,980
reports during the 70's in that area

2166
01:43:46,410 --> 01:43:42,250
than there are in the area of Missouri

2167
01:43:51,470 --> 01:43:46,420
Kansas Arkansas so that that that argues

2168
01:43:55,410 --> 01:43:51,480
against you know the triangle reports

2169
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:55,420
commencing with the development of a

2170
01:44:01,250 --> 01:43:58,090
military aircraft and then of course

2171
01:44:04,650 --> 01:44:01,260
when you look at some of the

2172
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:04,660
characteristics they don't match up such

2173
01:44:11,070 --> 01:44:08,080
as a large triangular object that can

2174
01:44:15,480 --> 01:44:11,080
basically just sit still right I mean

2175
01:44:20,430 --> 01:44:15,490
short of a blimp which is just a balloon

2176
01:44:22,669 --> 01:44:20,440
we don't we can't make a large aircraft

2177
01:44:26,930 --> 01:44:22,679
of any type just sit still

2178
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:26,940
unless you have something like you know

2179
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:31,650
the f-35 or f-22 where you you use a ton

2180
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:34,320
of fuel right to keep it in a vertical

2181
01:44:41,870 --> 01:44:36,810
position for it and it makes a huge

2182
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:41,880
amount of noise we can't just let we

2183
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:44,239
can't have a huge aircraft just slowly

2184
01:44:53,899 --> 01:44:49,770
you know drift by I it's just not in our

2185
01:44:56,379 --> 01:44:53,909
capabilities so that that's what I look

2186
01:44:59,149 --> 01:44:56,389
at that it makes them think okay there's

2187
01:45:01,129 --> 01:44:59,159
there's more than just people imagining

2188
01:45:03,470 --> 01:45:01,139
things right when you have this kind of

2189
01:45:06,350 --> 01:45:03,480
shift and you know why we have this

2190
01:45:09,859 --> 01:45:06,360
shift I don't know I mean the disc did

2191
01:45:14,030 --> 01:45:09,869
not go away but the triangle definitely

2192
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:14,040
came into play and then if you really

2193
01:45:19,959 --> 01:45:16,290
want to throw one on top of that you've

2194
01:45:22,970 --> 01:45:19,969
got the barbell I mean who would report

2195
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:22,980
that you got an object flying in the sky

2196
01:45:31,399 --> 01:45:28,530
that looks like a barbell yep I have

2197
01:45:35,359 --> 01:45:31,409
there I know I've categorized 40 reports

2198
01:45:37,820 --> 01:45:35,369
of barbells I know of one and I think

2199
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:37,830
was Canada right is there well yeah

2200
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:39,449
that's the one that got me interested in

2201
01:45:44,419 --> 01:45:41,489
our belts right that's such a bizarre

2202
01:45:45,859 --> 01:45:44,429
thing that that's a very you know when

2203
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:45,869
the guy asked what are some really good

2204
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:49,290
cases that's one right there then that

2205
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,239
was reported by a guy who has an R&D

2206
01:45:58,430 --> 01:45:55,920
centre and has contracts with the

2207
01:46:02,450 --> 01:45:58,440
Department of Defense and this case was

2208
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:02,460
so interesting you know when I first

2209
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:03,330
heard about it

2210
01:46:10,970 --> 01:46:07,290
bill leach who was a MUFON field

2211
01:46:13,790 --> 01:46:10,980
investigator in Indiana had first heard

2212
01:46:17,540 --> 01:46:13,800
about it and you know talked to the guy

2213
01:46:19,609 --> 01:46:17,550
so I said well I'm gonna I'm gonna go

2214
01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:19,619
meet the guy because I just want to know

2215
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:23,070
is this real I mean does he really does

2216
01:46:27,410 --> 01:46:24,810
he really have contracts the Department

2217
01:46:33,709 --> 01:46:27,420
of Defense is he really who he says he

2218
01:46:35,359 --> 01:46:33,719
is and I met the guy and he it was all

2219
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:35,369
just like he said he was he had no

2220
01:46:39,890 --> 01:46:36,449
motivation

2221
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:39,900
for making this story up hmm

2222
01:46:43,820 --> 01:46:42,330
he didn't need money in course Gino

2223
01:46:48,010 --> 01:46:43,830
Martin you don't get money making these

2224
01:46:50,930 --> 01:46:48,020
stories up anyway yeah it is ridicule I

2225
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:50,940
gotta tell you I've had about four or

2226
01:46:56,630 --> 01:46:53,520
five emails where people have written me

2227
01:46:59,479 --> 01:46:56,640
saying read me written me an email

2228
01:47:02,180 --> 01:46:59,489
saying that they will sell me their UFO

2229
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:02,190
story that's the thing oh yeah yeah yeah

2230
01:47:05,540 --> 01:47:03,210
yeah there's a lot of people I think

2231
01:47:09,890 --> 01:47:05,550
there's money in UFOs and yeah I know

2232
01:47:11,450 --> 01:47:09,900
it's pretty funny yeah we have a friend

2233
01:47:15,290 --> 01:47:11,460
of the show Lee Spiegel was listening he

2234
01:47:17,150 --> 01:47:15,300
was just just texting about his his

2235
01:47:19,340 --> 01:47:17,160
triangle UFO did you ever hear that one

2236
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:19,350
it's a really good one in South Carolina

2237
01:47:23,780 --> 01:47:21,570
that was the 1970s go ahead and tell me

2238
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:23,790
I think I may have heard it but yeah I

2239
01:47:31,340 --> 01:47:26,000
have to remind me yeah that was back in

2240
01:47:33,950 --> 01:47:31,350
1975 I'm pretty sure yeah 1975 was in

2241
01:47:36,350 --> 01:47:33,960
North Carolina and basically he was

2242
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:36,360
standing with some police officers and

2243
01:47:40,970 --> 01:47:38,730
the thing just floated right over them

2244
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:40,980
and it showed you know shine down the

2245
01:47:49,580 --> 01:47:43,370
light right right down by their feet and

2246
01:47:51,110 --> 01:47:49,590
and then later a officer saw it and at a

2247
01:47:53,150 --> 01:47:51,120
different location and took out his

2248
01:47:55,070 --> 01:47:53,160
flashlight he didn't flash that it I

2249
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:55,080
can't and it was something else

2250
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:58,560
anyway he's like oh but it was a good

2251
01:48:02,810 --> 01:48:00,480
just to comment on that type of case to

2252
01:48:04,970 --> 01:48:02,820
me that I mean that indicates the

2253
01:48:08,650 --> 01:48:04,980
objects pretty close to you when it can

2254
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:08,660
shine a light on the ground right yeah

2255
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:10,890
that's one of those that's the type of

2256
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:14,520
case that and I haven't you know gotten

2257
01:48:17,900 --> 01:48:16,050
all the details from Lee but I'm sure

2258
01:48:20,540 --> 01:48:17,910
this is one of those cases where it's so

2259
01:48:21,860 --> 01:48:20,550
close and there's so much information on

2260
01:48:25,790 --> 01:48:21,870
it you have only one of two

2261
01:48:27,950 --> 01:48:25,800
possibilities either Lee saw what he he

2262
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:27,960
says he saw or he made up the story

2263
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:32,610
there's no other possibilities and those

2264
01:48:36,530 --> 01:48:34,050
are my favorite type of cases were

2265
01:48:38,510 --> 01:48:36,540
you're so close you know even he

2266
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:38,520
believed the witness sir you don't yeah

2267
01:48:46,910 --> 01:48:41,010
you know as someone I believe someone

2268
01:48:48,830 --> 01:48:46,920
was trying to say that was a kite I may

2269
01:48:49,939 --> 01:48:48,840
have that wrong but I mean I you know a

2270
01:48:52,580 --> 01:48:49,949
lot of times

2271
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:52,590
we'll try to come up with you know again

2272
01:48:59,300 --> 01:48:56,370
like you know people don't understand

2273
01:49:02,900 --> 01:48:59,310
and they they pull for straws I'm trying

2274
01:49:05,570 --> 01:49:02,910
to figure something out and and anyway

2275
01:49:08,570 --> 01:49:05,580
it's a there were all interesting and

2276
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:08,580
they're all they're just there's there's

2277
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:10,500
no answer yet we have about five minutes

2278
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:15,210
left what is some of the other shapes I

2279
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:16,530
mean the barbell is really fascinating

2280
01:49:23,060 --> 01:49:20,310
the cigar the scarf shaped UFO you don't

2281
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:23,070
hear about them often but they you know

2282
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:26,520
they're there were a lot of them yes

2283
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:30,210
there's a cigar shape there's the what I

2284
01:49:36,050 --> 01:49:32,610
call the cone shape looks like an

2285
01:49:38,990 --> 01:49:36,060
ice-cream cone hmm a diamond shape you

2286
01:49:44,330 --> 01:49:39,000
yeah there's a diamond shape there's

2287
01:49:48,410 --> 01:49:44,340
even a few hexagon type shapes reports

2288
01:49:50,270 --> 01:49:48,420
you know that they come through but you

2289
01:49:53,810 --> 01:49:50,280
know the the dominant in and of course

2290
01:49:55,610 --> 01:49:53,820
just a spherical or egg-shaped right but

2291
01:50:00,850 --> 01:49:55,620
I would say the dominant shape is still

2292
01:50:03,950 --> 01:50:00,860
the disc and it's probably I would say

2293
01:50:07,070 --> 01:50:03,960
second is probably the spherical shape

2294
01:50:09,850 --> 01:50:07,080
although you know it's more likely to

2295
01:50:12,650 --> 01:50:09,860
the spherical shape can be a

2296
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:12,660
misconception right you know you could

2297
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:15,210
have a balloon in the sky or what have

2298
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:19,890
you and then the triangle shape and then

2299
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:21,840
after that it's kind of miscellaneous

2300
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:24,090
shapes and of course you've got that

2301
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:26,610
standard lights in the sky yeah you

2302
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:30,239
don't know the shape it's just and

2303
01:50:35,450 --> 01:50:32,370
that's the one you hear people discount

2304
01:50:37,340 --> 01:50:35,460
the most lights in the sky and you know

2305
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:37,350
I mean just because they could be so

2306
01:50:43,970 --> 01:50:40,800
many different things but when they are

2307
01:50:45,919 --> 01:50:43,980
doing unusual maneuvers or whatever it

2308
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:45,929
is it's that they're pretty hard to

2309
01:50:49,970 --> 01:50:47,730
explain but there's no telling what they

2310
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:49,980
are you know how there's a there was a

2311
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:52,890
increase in also in orange orbs over the

2312
01:50:58,130 --> 01:50:54,630
last number of years I've heard about

2313
01:50:59,479 --> 01:50:58,140
that too and and who knows what they are

2314
01:51:02,060 --> 01:50:59,489
could be something natural I mean

2315
01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:02,070
there's a yeah and you know I'm sure

2316
01:51:04,820 --> 01:51:03,630
though there will be people

2317
01:51:07,310 --> 01:51:04,830
disagree with me but in the case of the

2318
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:07,320
orange orbs those always peak around the

2319
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:10,110
fourth of July and Chinese lanterns you

2320
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:12,170
know yeah no I think those are usually

2321
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,840
Chinese lanterns in it for anyone who

2322
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:17,760
hasn't seen a Chinese lantern at night

2323
01:51:21,709 --> 01:51:19,770
yeah it's pretty amazing yeah yeah I

2324
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:21,719
mean yeah if you don't know what you're

2325
01:51:26,540 --> 01:51:23,330
looking at

2326
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:26,550
yeah we'll Mike you take a breath yeah

2327
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:29,250
there's a video on on YouTube where

2328
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:31,050
there's a family and there's one that

2329
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:32,880
goes up oh my god it's a UFO no they

2330
01:51:35,810 --> 01:51:34,170
were like almost crying and everything

2331
01:51:37,879 --> 01:51:35,820
you know it's pretty funny to watch

2332
01:51:40,340 --> 01:51:37,889
because you can tell clearly in that

2333
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:40,350
particular one that it was a a Chinese

2334
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:42,000
leaner than the first time I saw one it

2335
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:43,679
was like wow what am i seeing and then

2336
01:51:50,419 --> 01:51:46,170
you know and that was basically around

2337
01:51:53,570 --> 01:51:50,429
fourth of July yeah and yeah so we have

2338
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:53,580
a lot to contend with and also you know

2339
01:51:58,459 --> 01:51:56,880
we have drones now to deal with and who

2340
01:52:01,399 --> 01:51:58,469
knows what we're gonna have for with our

2341
01:52:04,669 --> 01:52:01,409
last guest was talking about you know

2342
01:52:05,689 --> 01:52:04,679
military secret military projects going

2343
01:52:08,330 --> 01:52:05,699
on you never know what you're going to

2344
01:52:09,890 --> 01:52:08,340
see in the sky so we have a lot of

2345
01:52:15,649 --> 01:52:09,900
things that we have to weed out a lot

2346
01:52:19,070 --> 01:52:15,659
more as we go along and the the the SC

2347
01:52:21,020 --> 01:52:19,080
you can you we only have we have like

2348
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:21,030
two and a half minutes left here can you

2349
01:52:27,020 --> 01:52:24,290
explain basically how that came to be

2350
01:52:31,970 --> 01:52:27,030
yeah the scientific Coalition for youth

2351
01:52:36,830 --> 01:52:31,980
ology is a group it's we have 45 to 50

2352
01:52:40,660 --> 01:52:36,840
members it came to be basically when I

2353
01:52:44,899 --> 01:52:40,670
left MUFON Richard Hoffman Morgan Beale

2354
01:52:47,390 --> 01:52:44,909
and a couple of other guys we wanted an

2355
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:47,400
organization that was more science based

2356
01:52:52,490 --> 01:52:50,730
and so that that is the the full

2357
01:52:57,140 --> 01:52:52,500
objective I mean currently we've got

2358
01:53:00,879 --> 01:52:57,150
think 11 different phd's almost all our

2359
01:53:04,340 --> 01:53:00,889
members have bachelor degrees or above

2360
01:53:06,500 --> 01:53:04,350
muster in the sciences so we have people

2361
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:06,510
in everything from oceanography to

2362
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:09,360
geology to astronomy to chemistry

2363
01:53:14,930 --> 01:53:12,210
mathematics and physics all of these

2364
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,940
guys are interested in topic we have one

2365
01:53:19,970 --> 01:53:16,800
of our members is

2366
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:19,980
NASA we have another member who's in the

2367
01:53:26,270 --> 01:53:23,760
European Space Agency so that's all from

2368
01:53:29,359 --> 01:53:26,280
NASA that's interesting yeah so the the

2369
01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:29,369
topic of UFOs is interesting as a matter

2370
01:53:36,350 --> 01:53:33,630
of fact in our our conference were about

2371
01:53:38,839 --> 01:53:36,360
to have we have a guy from NASA it was

2372
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:38,849
going to give one of the talks but then

2373
01:53:44,060 --> 01:53:41,010
the media the guy who had written a

2374
01:53:46,189 --> 01:53:44,070
paper and the media distorted what he

2375
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:46,199
said you know they throw in aliens and

2376
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:48,000
little green men and little gray men and

2377
01:53:55,010 --> 01:53:52,050
everything and NASA reacted to that by

2378
01:53:56,899 --> 01:53:55,020
telling him that he could not go talk to

2379
01:53:58,939 --> 01:53:56,909
the conference because they were worried

2380
01:54:01,370 --> 01:53:58,949
right even though we're not allowing

2381
01:54:04,250 --> 01:54:01,380
media at the conference they were

2382
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:04,260
worried that you know it would get all

2383
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:09,449
distorted so yeah it really affects this

2384
01:54:17,149 --> 01:54:13,770
whole thing about you know trying to

2385
01:54:19,339 --> 01:54:17,159
dramatize this whole subject really

2386
01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:19,349
affects the investigation of the topic

2387
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:22,920
sure does and with that we we had a

2388
01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:24,570
wonderful show I want to thank you so

2389
01:54:28,990 --> 01:54:26,150
much Robert it was a real pleasure

2390
01:54:31,970 --> 01:54:29,000
thanks Martin I enjoyed it as always yes

2391
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:31,980
alright and we'll stay in touch and see

2392
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:34,320
where things lead thanks all right all

2393
01:54:38,689 --> 01:54:36,239
right thanks all right thank you take

2394
01:54:42,260 --> 01:54:38,699
care alright everyone so that's it for

2395
01:54:44,510 --> 01:54:42,270
the show thank you so much and we'll be

2396
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back next week with our friend in

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Chicago San moranto and he's always he's

2398
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always fun to have on and I want to

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thank everyone that helps out with the

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show behind the scenes and you the

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listener thanks so much and we'll be

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back again every Tuesday at 6 to 8 p.m.

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Eastern Standard Time and thanks for

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listening and remember everyone to keep

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your eyes to the sky and it hits me oh

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my gosh

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we're excellent show gentlemen thank you

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have a great night Martin and Robert

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aliens

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they do and finally did I ain't coming

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right over our head it's so a classic

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flying-saucer really standing in the

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Clery he turned over to my father and

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held his hand and he looked in his eyes